Video Feedback Meditation

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Video Feedback Meditation

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This is something we have used as a metaphor many times so far but I would like to return to it once again.

In the last couple of years I increasingly realized that one of the main obstacles to proper phenomenological experience of reality is that one usually still tries to stand back and encompass some structure in their consciousness. This may be true even if the person has otherwise sincere intentions.

To counteract this tendency we need to consider seriously the idea of flow. This was also my main motivation for the Phonograph Metaphor. When reading PoF people still end up with a concept of ‘idea’ and a concept of ‘perception’, they hold them in their mind as some structures and don’t know what to do with them. What I attempted was ‘PoF in motion’ so to speak. FB said before: “as Steiner said, he wished he could have danced The Philosophy of Freedom rather than writing it”. We should really resonate with this statement. Reality can only be comprehended in motion, when our cognitive flow coincides with the World flow. We should immediately say that by ‘flow’ it is not meant simply the endless stream of inner chatter and chaotic bodily movements. Let’s try to approach the deeper inner experience of the flow.

Here I’ll try to make use of contemporary technology in hope that we will be able to get a better feeling for the meditative flow.

To make it as easy as possible we can use this online tool: https://webcamtoy.com/app/

To use it, a web camera is needed which we can point at the screen. Unfortunately, most people today use laptops with web cameras embedded in the screen panel, and thus detaching is not an option. One possible solution is to use our phone as a web camera. This can be accomplished by using a free app, for example this: https://iriun.com/ It needs to be installed on both the phone and on the computer and they need to be connected to the same WiFi network.

After we have the camera set up we open the webcamtoy website. The browser may ask for permission to use the camera. If it is not showing video from the correct camera, we click the settings icon (the cog) and choose the right camera.

Let’s first start with the simplest possible video feedback. The mirror option in the settings menu (cog button) needs to be off and the effect (the central button) should be ‘Normal’. Here’s how it looks:



Even though it seems elementary, I encourage everyone to try it for themselves. When we experiment we should try to feel how we will our hand movements (which holds the camera/phone) and how this affects the image. It’s better to start with short discrete movements (like the example above) and then just observe how the changes propagate.

Of course, when we activate mirroring effects we can produce much more interesting images (here’s an example) but for our needs the simplest case will suffice. About the more complex cases it can only be noted how the original image quickly becomes unrecognizable and instead we are now engaged in a new level of abstraction as we observe certain geometric patterns forming a more convoluted (folded) experience.

After we have spent some time with this, we can continue with meditation. The first step is to simply remember/imagine everything we’ve done so far. We can vividly imagine how we move our hand holding the imaginary camera. This should be fairly easy for anyone. The next step, however, already poses a difference. When we do the experiment with the computer, we are active with our hands but we perceive the video image passively. Our visual attention is entrained by the receding images. When we remember/imagine this, we need to use our own will not only to move our imaginary hand but also to glide our attention along the imagined image tunnel. It is crucially important to understand that we are not after visual vividness. We are not trying to perform some mental trick that should trigger hallucinations which we behold passively just like we behold the visual perceptions. We should be fully aware that we are using our own will to replicate the same inner movements that are otherwise externally stimulated. To use the dancing analogy again, it’s not about hallucinating a dancing partner that still leads the moves and we passively follow, but that by following the moves for a while, we can then replicate them through our own forces. This is why I think it is important to spend some time with the real camera images. We need to first experience the entrainment in order to be later able to replicate it.

It is also important that our whole inner being should be engaged in the exercise. It is common that we do something with our hands while we talk or verbally think about completely unrelated things. This can happen also in meditation. We may be doing the visualization but our inner chatter may be drifting. This is especially true when we become so familiar with the visualization that we perform it mechanically, out of habit. To counteract this we may try to engage our inner voice too. For example, when we turn our imaginary camera left or right we can pronounce in our mind ‘left’, ‘right’, or simply sounds. This is not strictly necessary but it can be useful in the beginning because it helps us feel what it means to be fully engaged in the movements with our whole being. Imagine that we are a Formula One driver. We are involved in the driving process with our whole body – we steer with our hands, push the pedals with our feet, resist the G forces with our whole body. If we let our inner chatter drift even for a second and we leave our body to act on autopilot, it may cost us our life. Thus full and intense concentration is needed. Not only that, but our movements are not arbitrary. Everything we do is embedded in the temporal context of the whole race and the goal of getting a good time. The race itself is embedded in the context of who we are and how we developed a passion for racing. In this way, a single nudge of the steering wheel is meaningfully embedded in a deep temporal context.

Our exercise should feel similar. The rotations in our imagination are not simply arbitrary movements. They receive meaning within the context of the whole exercise that we have decided to do for a few minutes. The exercise has meaning only within the context of our life story and the chapter where we began to develop a certain interest in how existence works. When we imagine the rotations they should really feel like key phrases in our life’s movie, without which the ideal storyline would remain obscure to the viewer. When we see things in this way we should readily recognize a certain gradient of our imaginative activity:

1. Bodily imagination (kinesthetic). Here we picture willed bodily movements.
2. Visual imagination. Here we replicate the inner sensations and movements of attention that we normally experience through the visual system.
3. Verbal imagination. Here we replicate speaking and hearing speech (not just as an auditory experience but as expression of thinking).
4. Life imagination. This is somewhat more difficult to grasp because it is not related to a particular bodily sense but it integrates all experiences in the life of our thinking ego-being and fits everything that we experience in our life story. Without this overarching activity our conscious existence would resemble a sequence of disconnected fragments.

The first two points feel more peripheral to our inner being, while by going through 3 and 4 we increasingly approach our more intimate inner life. We should really take a moment to appreciate how when we imagine bodily and visual movements, our inner being stays in the background and even may mumble some verbal thoughts. When we try to be consciously active also in our inner speech, something of our hidden being emerges from the darkness – we can no longer mumble from the background while we are consciously engaged with our inner voice. And finally, we get even closer to our inner being when we try to feel how everything we do only has value when it fits in the unfolding movie of our life’s story. Our meditation is most fruitful when all those factors are aligned. Even though our exercise doesn’t pose the dangers that the Formula One driver faces, we should still, at least for a few seconds, try to feel the intensity and engagement of our total being in the rotations of inner images, as if the direction of our whole destiny depends on that steering.

Once we get comfortable with the inner replication of the physical experience, we can proceed by loosening our bodily imagination and leaving it as an environment. Then we become much more focused in the head region where we imagine the rotations entirely in the visual element (once again – it is fine if we don’t behold any vivid imagery, it’s the inner movements and the knowing of what we imagine that matter).

The value of this particular visualization is that it is a very good metaphor for our cognitive flow. When we think something it immediately recedes from us as memory. We should feel how the receding image is not some isolated moving object, like a falling stone, but is rather the effect of trying to encompass the totality of experience in a new image. Of course, in reality we don’t see our thoughts receding from us as some visual objects. That’s why we say that the exercise is only a metaphor. When we do the exercise we first imagine a nudge and then imagine how this nudge ripples down the tunnel. However, in reality, these rippling movements are still willed by us in the very same way we will the first nudge. Thus they are not in the ‘past’ – each one of them is still in the now. Yet it is possible to get a feeling for the reality of this memory flow.

To make this clearer we can try to imagine a certain pattern of nudges that we choose on the fly, say, left, left, right. We perform these nudges without trying to imagine the receding effects, we only imagine the nudges, as if we nudge a steering wheel. Then we put the nudges aside for a moment, for example we may count to five, and then try to repeat them.

Here we have something that on first look seems completely trivial but which is very fruitful if we give it the needed attention. When we try to repeat the pattern we should try to feel what gives us the possibility to do so? In the first pass we chose the pattern without any constraints. Whether that choice was truly free doesn’t matter. There are certainly invisible constraints to our imagination so our choice is probably biased but normally we’re not aware of these constraints. In the second pass, however, we wilfully try to imagine something that is not random but fits in certain constraints. When we perform the first pass it is as if something of our act diffuses and continues to reverberate in our conscious context. Then when we try the second pass we seek the movements that resonate with the invisible reverberations. If we do the wrong pattern we feel “that’s not what I did”. How do we know? Because the knowing of what we did in the first pass still hovers in our conscious context and allows us to feel whether the pattern we perform in the second pass resonates or dissonates with it.

When we look at things with such intimacy we can see that there’s something phenomenologically real for which our visualization is a symbolic expression. We may not visually see our thoughts receding but it is obviously true that every thought is infused in our conscious context and can be sought when we try to align new movements with it.

In this way, we reach a third phase of the exercise where we focus only on the immediate movements and only feel how what we have done is now beyond our control and sinks in the conscious context. It doesn’t look like a tunnel of receding images but it can be felt like that. Then the video feedback tunnel can be used as an artistic expression of that feeling. It is very important to grasp this in full concreteness. Only in this way we can feel that we are grounded in phenomenological realities. Otherwise, everything said will sound like some wild philosophical model of time and memory.

The more we focus on the image rotation in the head region, the more we should relax everything else in the periphery. Our bodily sensations, our face, our psyche – they are not eradicated but are loosened and become our environment while our whole energy is focused on the image rotation.

Then we can describe a fourth stage – we begin to slow down the rotations. Here slowing down doesn’t mean being sluggish and boring but making the movements smooth and uninterrupted. Every jump of attention ‘lifts the pen’ and interrupts the smooth rotation. A key word here is ‘gentleness’. Everything we do should happen with a light touch. (Interestingly, we may find out that these smooth steering habits with a light touch make us a better driver also in physical life).

As we get more comfortable in this phase we should also gently reduce the amplitude of rotations (how far we rotate left or right). Effectively our movements should resemble something like this:

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This doesn’t imply that our rotations should be perfectly rhythmic and that they should be strictly monotonically dampened. It’s the overall tendency that matters and that should happen naturally as we get more and more comfortable at each step.

Together with reducing the amplitude of rotations we also further slow down, and we correspondingly reduce the size of the image in our mind such that it feels like we focus in a point in the head region.

It needs to be reminded that our inner forces normally manifesting in 3 and 4, should also be engaged. We should feel our movements as something meaningful, expressing our deeper intuitive life, just like the hand gestures of sign language do.

The end result of this is that our rotations slow down to a halt (the time for rotation is infinitely stretched) and we remain focused in a single point. Here however is the most important part. If we have really developed the feeling for the way our inner activity sinks in the conscious context, then this state of concentration would not at all feel like the end of all conscious life. Instead, we now live entirely in the vibrant feeling of the inner flow of being. In the video feedback, even if we don’t move the camera, the flow of images still continues. Furthermore, if there are other kinds of movements in the environment (not of our hand) they will be captured in the stream, so the flow may feel dynamic, even though we are still fully concentrated. This is an important stage of our development because we begin to recognize that this inner flow is always there and it serves as a kind of ‘carrier wave’ for our whole stream of existence. This flow is not like some perceptual object that we encompass in an otherwise static pure consciousness contaiener but instead, every aspect of our experience is modulated over the flow. As such, we don’t perceive the ‘objective’ reality of the flow (as something outside of us) but the nature of phenomena expresses our intuitive grasp of the flow within which our existence is embedded. As an analogy, in the following animation we don’t see a ‘flow’ as some ‘object’ but technically we see only moving particles. Our sense of flow comes as an additional intuitive grasp of the way the particles move.

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As we’ll certainly find out, reaching this state is not without difficulties. Our attention is pulled in all directions by both bodily perceptions and bubbling thoughts and feelings.

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It feels as if the rotations of the mental image are not entirely free but our imaginative will is entangled with all kinds of elastic threads that pull it in various directions. Once again, we shouldn’t expect to see such elastic bands as some objective perceptual fact. It’s the other way around – our living experience of the elastic constraints within which our intuitive activity operates is artistically expressed.

If we understand the above metaphor we should also have the proper intuition for what it means to have consciousness in this state. In our ordinary life we consider for real only that which forcefully impresses into our senses. In the described state however, what confronts us as real are the invisible elastic tensions of soul life – forces that continually bend the direction of our existential movie. We can never expect these forces to forcefully impinge in our consciousness and present themselves as objective facts similar to bodily perceptions. The simple reason for this is that while we remain passive we simply freefall through the elastic curvatures of the inner flow. Then we are unaware of it just like we are unaware of gravity in a free fall. We gain consciousness of the elastic forces, which from our ordinary perspective feel like sympathies and antipathies, only when we concentrate, as if by trying to maintain a certain ideal form of our inner being, and then be vigilant for the way the elastic forces try to modify that form.

To make this more accessible, imagine a seismograph:

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We have a continuously rotating cylinder of paper and a needle with a pencil tip. Imagine that our concentrated activity represents the contact of the needle with the paper. The elastic soul forces nudge our needle and this results in spikes in the graph (analogous to inner images). Now in this case it will be obviously wrong to say that when we perceive the spikes we see the objective reality of the forces. It’s rather that we behold only their effects and furthermore these effects wouldn’t be recognized if we were not trying to hold the needle steady. Without this effort we simply freefall through a stream of spikes and naively accept them for the unquestionable nature of who we are and how existence functions.

This indirection of the inner imagery is the reason why in esoteric literature we can often read that in the soul/astral realm (Imaginative state) everything that we perceive is like a negative image of reality. Obviously, here ‘negative’ shouldn’t be conceived in the literal visual sense but in the way we describe it above – as the effect of forces that bend our flow of becoming at a deeper level. In this sense, every imaginative impression that flashes in our consciousness while we behold the inner flow, should be thought of as a riddle: “How can I better know the reality of the elastic soul forces that bend my inner stream such that images like these flash in my consciousness?”

The technical side of the concentration (steering the image to a halt) is only one part. As explained above with 1, 2, 3, and 4, our meditative exercise is embedded in the contextual layers of our being. If we one-sidedly focus on 1, 2, and probably 3, but leave 4 in the background, we may easily become proficient in the technical side of the meditation but then reach a point of stagnation. We may say “I succeed in bringing my inner movements to a halt, I feel the inner flow, but it is all dark and featureless. There’s nothing there.” This is actually completely natural. We necessarily pass through such a dark phase before the inner flow begins to lighten up with soul imagery. Then we really begin to have an imaginative perceptual experience of the flow. This lightening up is directly dependent on the deeper (and probably not yet fully conscious) intents with which we approach the meditative exercises (which are concealed in 4). If we secretly try to preserve our present understanding of what we are and what existence is, this results in inner rigidness. We become excessively stiff and insensitive to the elastic soul tensions – thus nothing is able to nudge us. But if we develop the anticipation that there’s a potential higher, nobler moral being concealed within the rigid shells of our Earthly self, then we can open up for its forces while loosening the rigidness of our lower self. It is as if we desire that the higher being becomes the organizing principle of our inner flow. Then the inertial forces of the lower self counteract that flow and thus it becomes imaginatively perceptible. The higher the ideal we nourish for our flow of being, the greater the spectrum of resisting forces we perceive, and the greater the insights. The opposite also happens. Since we are always somewhere along the path of development, it is possible that we experience the higher organizing forces as impinging on our present state and manifesting imaginatively. The higher curvatures, however, act in a much gentler way. This is simply due to the fact that we can only find the higher resonance in freedom, it cannot be forced upon us (this would leave the lower self feeling oppressed and it would simply quietly wait for its chance to retaliate).

Even though we describe our flow of being in an uncommon way, the same principles hold even in our ordinary intellectual state. The difference is that in our intellectual consciousness the flow can only be grasped in sequences of conceptual flashes. It has been chopped up into intuitive fragments, so to speak. Nevertheless, the way we navigate the flow can still be described as a kind of instinctive steering. If we introspect we can easily see that most of the time we’re not consciously structuring our sequences of thought fragments (verbal thoughts for example). Instead, we instinctively steer through feelings and ideas, and the words flow only as quite automatic commentary.

We reach the higher stage of consciousness not by simply turning away from the sequential thoughts but by trying to feel intimately responsible for them. That’s why we concentrate on a single thought as if to stabilize our dreamy steering activity and be able to better reflect how it manifests and how it is resisted by the most varied forces. In our ordinary intellectual state we accept the meaning of the conceptual sequences as thoughts and ideas about reality but never try to intimately experience the way this fragmentary flow comes to be. In the Imaginative state we don’t think about reality but follow reality within our inner phenomenal flow. Then, like the seismograph, we begin to recognize certain invisible soul forces that modulate the flow.

In all of this we still feel as an ensouled being. The invisible forces of other beings interfere as elastic tensions in our soul life but the imaginative aspect of the latter is still something personal. Like the seismograph, we behold only the effects of the invisible bending forces.

Even though we use a very simple metaphor of steering, which presumes two degrees of freedom – steering left or right –, in reality our flow is far more complicated. Every possible thought, idea, desire or action is a different direction in which our inner movie can metamorphose into. Furthermore, the elastic tensions are themselves in constant metamorphosis, thus we can’t simply ‘trim the sails’ and expect that we can flow on autopilot undisturbedly. We need constant vigilance and never-ceasing efforts to expand our intuitive orientation within the flow. Artistically we can depict this like a labyrinth:

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Our flow through time is like movement through the vertical depth of the labyrinth. Of course, here it is not implied that this depth exists as some fantastic predetermined structure (like Einstein’s block universe). The metaphor only serves to show that there’s a lot to learn and master in the mysterious flow of existence.

The movie bending forces, which we dimly experience as pushes and pulls of sympathies and antipathies, are ideal in their origin, just like our own conscious steering is. Through concentration into the region of our even more intimate intuitive (ideal) gestures (and not so much on their imaginative reverberations) we begin to grasp the seismic forces in their ideal aspects. We begin to comprehend the meaning implied in the flow-bending forces as Cosmic Thoughts. With this we touch upon the still higher forms of consciousness (Inspirative and Intuitive) but these fall outside the scope of our current focus. It is enough to keep in mind that all elastic flow-bending forces can be known in their inner reality by resonating (becoming one) with their ideal intents proceeding from contextual and autonomous Cosmic Minds.
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To summarize our whole topic we can say that the overall goal is to get hold of our inner activity by gradually bringing it to focus.

First, we simply play with the video feedback through our hands and perceive the results.

Then we try to replicate/remember the experience in our imagination. Now the difference is that we are responsible not only for our imagined hand movement but also for picturing the receding images.

Then we loosen our bodily imagination and focus more and more in the head region where we rotate a purely mental image and its receding reverberations.

Then we try to focus only on the immediate rotation and grasp the reverberations through time as a feeling for the way everything we do becomes infused in the conscious context and allows us to remember it (to repeat it). Here we begin to approach the reality of the inner flow.

Then we strive for uninterrupted inner movements that gradually slow down and concentrate into a rotating point. The pace of rotation stretches so much that it seems it halts (yet the flow continues). This halting does not mean “OK, I’m done with this, now I can drift away with my inner chatter”. Instead, our whole inner being should be focused in that concentrated state. After we endure the phase of darkness we begin to recognize the underlying carrier flow of our existential movie. Now we being to comprehend our whole prior existence as modulations over this flow and we recognize the most varied seismic forces that bend its course (the imaginative flow reflects the consequences of the forces, not their ‘objective’ nature).

And finally, all of these steps need to be embedded in the healthy context of a high ideal. We should remember that we seek perception and mastery of the flow not to satisfy our personal curiosity but because only in this way we take responsibility for our existence and can seek to harmonize our flow with the Divine.

I’ve been experimenting with this method for some time now and I think that the value (if any) is that it gives a nice gradient for our intellectual being to approach the concentrated flow-state. If we jump directly into concentration this may be too much of a leap for many, the intellect may feel vulnerable and continuously seek ways to drift away. Through what we described here, however, things can be approached almost as a game that we playfully engage in. Then as we gain experience we gradually move down the gradient. If at any point we feel stagnant or distracted we can backtrack and use the easier steps. This also proves to be a useful habit in our daily life, where we can visualize for a second few rotations, quickly re-center ourselves, and restore our balance.

It can be reminded that ultimately the goal is to grow our intuitive orientation within the flow as indicated in the Phonograph Metaphor:

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Only the present experience of the World state is phenomenologically real. Our spiritual growth consists in the gradual organization and expansion of intuition into the intuitive curvatures (resulting from the activity of Minds at different scales) within which the World state metamorphoses and which we recognize as ‘flow’.
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Re: Video Feedback Meditation

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Thank you so much, Cleric, for this new angle!

For my part, there is much to introspect and experience, following along your indications, and I am not ready to comment. I'm only adding a 'technical' note for now. The same (similar) illustrated effect obtained by having a camera turned to the computer screen can be achieved without installation of apps, provided that one has a Google account. The process is this:

1. Start an instant Google Meet
2. Send meeting invite to another email address of yours
3. Access the meeting invite from that other email address (on phone or second computer, better on phone)
4. The meeting organizer (Google account) shares the entire screen (not a window or tab) with the other attendee
5. Here you go: any phone movement - or even bodily movement directly - propagates to infinity
"On Earth the soul has a past, in the Cosmos it has a future. The seer must unite past and future into a true perception of the now." Dennis Klocek
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Re: Video Feedback Meditation

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Federica wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 8:25 am Thank you so much, Cleric, for this new angle!

For my part, there is much to introspect and experience, following along your indications, and I am not ready to comment. I'm only adding a 'technical' note for now. The same (similar) illustrated effect obtained by having a camera turned to the computer screen can be achieved without installation of apps, provided that one has a Google account. The process is this:

1. Start an instant Google Meet
2. Send meeting invite to another email address of yours
3. Access the meeting invite from that other email address (on phone or second computer, better on phone)
4. The meeting organizer (Google account) shares the entire screen (not a window or tab) with the other attendee
5. Here you go: any phone movement - or even bodily movement directly - propagates to infinity
Great approach, Federica, Thanks! I was worried that the need to install additional software would automatically deter most people, so anything that doesn't require additional apps should be very welcome.
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Re: Video Feedback Meditation

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Thank you, Cleric, for these enormously helpful and timely illustrations of the inner depth axis!

Like Federica, I will need some time to experiment with the new meditative techniques. However, I can say that this part below has already proven fruitful for growing more sensitive to how the receding thinking-will movements implode into the conscious context that constrains the current state and its movements. It seems to be a very helpful go-to exercise that can be practiced throughout the day.

Cleric K wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:50 am To make this clearer we can try to imagine a certain pattern of nudges that we choose on the fly, say, left, left, right. We perform these nudges without trying to imagine the receding effects, we only imagine the nudges, as if we nudge a steering wheel. Then we put the nudges aside for a moment, for example we may count to five, and then try to repeat them.

Here we have something that on first look seems completely trivial but which is very fruitful if we give it the needed attention. When we try to repeat the pattern we should try to feel what gives us the possibility to do so? In the first pass we chose the pattern without any constraints. Whether that choice was truly free doesn’t matter. There are certainly invisible constraints to our imagination so our choice is probably biased but normally we’re not aware of these constraints. In the second pass, however, we wilfully try to imagine something that is not random but fits in certain constraints. When we perform the first pass it is as if something of our act diffuses and continues to reverberate in our conscious context. Then when we try the second pass we seek the movements that resonate with the invisible reverberations. If we do the wrong pattern we feel “that’s not what I did”. How do we know? Because the knowing of what we did in the first pass still hovers in our conscious context and allows us to feel whether the pattern we perform in the second pass resonates or dissonates with it.

When we look at things with such intimacy we can see that there’s something phenomenologically real for which our visualization is a symbolic expression. We may not visually see our thoughts receding but it is obviously true that every thought is infused in our conscious context and can be sought when we try to align new movements with it.

I am exploring a similar idea with a metaphor in the final essay part but from a less explicitly experiential angle, more from a principled angle. Hopefully, it will complement the meditation provided here.

Since you mentioned PoF and FB, I can add that FB has recently been posting many comments on the Anthroposophy/Steiner Facebook groups about how to understand PoF and this was the precise issue underlying nearly all the comments - whether one can grasp PoF (and then criticize it) by standing back and trying to encompass what is described as structures of consciousness, or rather whether one needs to imaginatively experiment with the inner experiences described, to live into and grow together with the inner experiential processes. If one adopts the former approach, one ends up only grasping and criticizing one's own theoretical constructs. It reminds me of a great Steiner quote:

GA 324 wrote:Whoever uses his intellect to spin all kinds of theories about what he confronts as phenomena in the world (which of course can be extraordinarily interesting at times) will hardly find the power for imaginative activity. In this respect, certain developments in the intellectual life of the present day seem specifically suited to suppress the imaginative force. If we go further than simply taking the outer phenomena of the mineral-physical realm and connecting them with one another through the power of our intellect; if we begin to search for things that are supposed to be concealed behind the visible phenomena, with which we can make mental constructions, we will actually destroy our imaginative capacity.

Perhaps I may make a comparison. No doubt you have had some dealings with what could be called phenomenalism in the sense of a Goethean world view. In arranging experiments and observations, Goethe used the intellect differently from the way it is used in recent phases of modern thought. Goethe used the intellect as we use it in reading. When we read, we form a whole out of the individual letters. For instance, when we have a row of letters and succeed in inwardly grasping the whole, then we have solved a certain riddle posed by this row of individual letters. We would not think of saying: Here is a b, an r, an e, an a and a d—I will look at the b. As such, this isolated b tells me nothing in particular, so I have to penetrate further for what really lies behind the b. Then one could say: Behind this b there is concealed some mysterious “beyond,” a “beyond” that makes an impression on me and explains the b to me. Of course, I do not do this; I simply take a look at the succession of letters in front of me and out of them form a whole: I read bread. Goethe proceeds in the same way in regard to the individual phenomena of the outer world. For instance, he does not take some light phenomenon and begins to philosophize about it, wondering what states of vibration lie behind this phenomenon in some sort of “beyond.” He does not use his intellect to speculate what might be hiding behind the phenomenon; rather, he uses his intellect as we do when we “think” the letters together into a word. Similarly he uses the intellect solely as a medium in which phenomena are grouped—grouped in such a way that in their relation to one another they let themselves be “read.” So we can see that regarding the external physical-mineral phenomenological world, Goethe employs the intellect as what I would call a cosmic reading tool.

He never speaks of a Kantian “thing in itself” that must be sought behind the phenomena, something Kant supposed existed there. And so Goethe comes to a true understanding of phenomena—of what might be called the “letters” in the mineral-physical world. He starts with the archetypal or “Ur”-phenomenon, and then proceeds to more complex phenomena which he seeks either in observation or in experiments which he contrives. He "reads" what is spread out in space and time, not looking behind the phenomena, but observing them in such a way that they cast light on one another, expressing themselves as a whole. His other use of the intellect is to arrange experimental situations that can be “read”—to arrange experimental situations and then see what is expressed by them. When we adopt such a way of viewing phenomena and make it more and more our own, proceeding even further than Goethe, we acquire a certain feeling of kinship with the phenomena. We experience a belonging-together with the phenomena. We enter into the phenomena with intensity, in contrast to the way the intellect is used to pierce through the phenomena and seek for all kinds of things behind them—things which fundamentally are only spun-out theories. Naturally, what I have just said is aimed only at this theoretical activity.

We need to educate ourselves in phenomenology, to reach a “growing together with” the phenomena of the world around us.

If we don't start with an experimental approach such as you have provided here, it becomes increasingly difficult to find the proper humility and motivation to backtrack and start fresh. We build up all sorts of rigid conceptions about what 'phenomenology' means and then if we come across experiments like these, we say, "What's the point of putting so much effort into these trivial exercises? I already understand the role of cognitive activity in perception, memory, etc. At best, this can only bring me back to what I already know." Even without those rigid conceptions, it is difficult enough to find the proper mood and motivation to patiently move along the gradient. I was certainly tempted to just rely on the video provided and not physically experiment with the feedback process. Once we have introduced the rigid conceptions, it becomes orders of magnitude more difficult. 

Yet if we just rely on the descriptions and video provided, the conscious context experienced when we move to meditation will be lacking. There is a certain 'weight' that comes from our imaginative experiments with thinking-will movements, especially if they also involve physical movements. It establishes a context of heightened sensitivity and, perhaps counter-intuitively, makes it easier to release the visual crutches of the metaphors and cognitively feel the inner meaning to which they are pointing. The depth perception test with the coins from the last essay invokes a similar principle. These give us the opportunity to actively probe a wider spectrum of phenomenal experiences that we normally pay no attention to and thereby unite our cognitive flow with the depth axis of more holistic gestures. 

I will also share this quote that speaks of how imaginative concentration can come into contact with the elastic soul forces that comprise our Earthly personality and contextualize our normal thinking-sensory states. 

GA 234 L8 wrote:Consider your ordinary memories. What you remember you draw forth from within you in the form of thoughts or mental presentations; you represent to yourself past experiences. These, as you know, lose in memory their vividness, impressiveness, colour, etc. Remembered experiences are pale. But, on the other hand, memory cannot but appear to be very closely connected with man's being; indeed it appears to be his very being. Man is not usually honest enough in his soul to make the necessary confession to himself; but I ask you to look into yourself to find out what you really are in respect to what you call your ego. Is there anything there beside your memories? If you try to get to your ego you will scarcely find anything else but your life's memories. True, you find these permeated by a kind of activity, but this remains very shadowy and dim. It is your memories that, for earthly life, appear as your living ego.

Now this world of memories which you need only call to mind in order to realise how entirely shadowy they are—what does it become in imaginative cognition? It ‘expands’ at once; it becomes a mighty tableau through which we survey, in pictures, all that we have experienced in our present life on earth. One might say: If this1 be man, and this the memory within him, imagination at once extends this memory back to his birth. One feels oneself outside of space; here all consists of events. One gazes into a tableau and surveys one's whole life up to the present. Time becomes space. It is like looking down an avenue; one takes in one's whole past in a tableau, or panorama, and can speak of memory expanding. In ordinary consciousness memory is confined, as it were, to a single moment at a time. Indeed, it is really as follows: If, for example, we have reached the age of forty and are recalling, not in ‘imagination’, but in ordinary consciousness, something experienced twenty years ago, it is as if it were far off in space, yet still there. Now—in imaginative cognition—it has remained; it has no more disappeared than the distant trees of an avenue. It is there. This is how we gaze into the tableau and know that the memory we bear with us in ordinary consciousness is a serious illusion. To take it for a reality is like taking a cross-section of a tree trunk for the tree trunk itself. Such a section is really nothing at all; the trunk is above and below the mere picture thus obtained. Now it is really like that when we perceive memories in imaginative cognition. We detect the utter unreality of the individual items; the whole expands almost as far as birth—in certain circumstances even farther. All that is past becomes present; it is there, though at the periphery.
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Who is FB? :-)
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Federica wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:44 pmWho is FB? :-)
findingblanks (who is Jeff Falzone on Facebook). If you haven't already, someday you may want to work through this thread :)
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AshvinP wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:53 pm
Federica wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:44 pmWho is FB? :-)
findingblanks (who is Jeff Falzone on Facebook). If you haven't already, someday you may want to work through this thread :)
Thanks!
Ok, I have bookmarked the thread. It starts a bit like a "Friends" episode :)

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Speaking of the necessary effort to encompass things phenomenologically, recently I have also been thinking about a metaphor that somewhat recalls the ideas of flow and recession in memory. It's the phenomenon of eye floaters, those floating particles that most people can see in their vision field against a bright plain background. Though it lacks the momentum and amplitude of the camera experiment, there's a nudge (or a series of nudges) that triggers a flow of compounding images.

True to my habitual self, instead of taking advantage of technology and tools, I've come up with something one (most people) can rely upon from within one's own bodily condition. I hope I will find a technological metaphor some day :)
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Thank you all!

Ashvin, did FB look into Palmer's book? The quotes in the other thread are great. In their face, it's hard to see how one can still maintain that PoF has nothing to do with higher cognition and the contents of SS.

Federica, to be honest, I'm not very excited by the fact that I'm using such a technical metaphor. I really wish I could have used something simpler. If we are to point at examples of propagating effects by a nudge, we have many options. A very nice example is a pulse that we can send along a rope.



However, the video feedback is unique in that every frame encompasses the previous. Thus the receding movement is actually an effect of trying to encompass everything in a new image. I think it is important to stress on this aspect because everyone has a good sense for moving objects and the way they can be nudged but the role memory plays in our experience of flow is practically unrecognized.

Probably the only 'natural' experiment that is similar to this is standing in front of a mirror with another mirror. Here's a fun video with a whole room made of mirrors.



Here however the effects propagate so quickly at luminal speeds that we can't appreciate the nice rippling effect. And furthermore, we can't do rotation. The rotational movements have an especially magical element to them. This is connected with the fact that even the ancients called the soul organs chakras - wheels. That is, rotation was felt to be something fundamental to them. When we rotate images in our mind like a steering wheel, we already swirl something in our inner organization.
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Cleric K wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 3:20 pm Thank you all!

Ashvin, did FB look into Palmer's book? The quotes in the other thread are great. In their face, it's hard to see how one can still maintain that PoF has nothing to do with higher cognition and the contents of SS.

He kept promising that he would 'come back' to those in a later discussion but wanted to stick with his constrained interpretive approach for the time being. I think it is his working theory that "young Steiner" had an entirely different approach to spiritual reality than "older Steiner", and the former's epistemological writings were not rooted in higher spiritual experiences at all. So, in that sense, he is claiming to know Steiner's intentions for PoF better than Steiner himself in the years and decades following. Of course, introducing this discontinuity between young and old Steiner is tantamount to disconnecting intuitive thinking from the results of spiritual science.

That is further reinforced by a comment he posted on Steiner's article in defense of Haeckel. Here are a couple comments (we can split this into a new topic if that would be better):

FB (original post) wrote:I appreciate how concisely Steiner frames this question:

"When we raise the question as to the origin of species in its most important form, in that which concerns the origin of man, there are only two answers possible. Either a consciousness endowed with reason is not present prior to its actual appearance in the world, but evolves as the outcome of the nervous system concentrated in the brain; or else an all-dominating world-reason exists before all other beings, and so shapes matter that in man its own image comes into being." -- Rudolf Steiner, "Haeckel and His Opponants

This essay is a masterpiece in Steiner arguing for the former.*

And then a little bit further down, we get a very interesting quote, because we see Steiner push against the common argument that the brain is like a piano that the spirit uses to accomplish its activities:
"But it is an altogether different question to inquire: How does logical thinking, or the aesthetic judgment arise as a function of the brain? It is on this question only that comparative physiology and brain-anatomy have anything to say. And these show that the reasoning consciousness does not exist in isolation for itself, only utilising the human brain in order to express itself through it, as the piano-player plays on the piano; but that our mental powers are just as much functions of the form-elements of our brain, as “every force is a function of a material body” (Haeckel, Anthropogenesis, pt. ii, p. 853)." - Rudolf Steiner

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* a few people have suggested that I am not using the term 'former' correctly. I appreciate why it may seem that way, but as more of the quotes below will explicate, Steiner is arguing for the former point.
Ashvin wrote:Hello Jeff... : )

We should be clear that he can only be characterized as 'arguing for the former' insofar as human conceptual reasoning closely tied to the neurosensory system is a unique mode of consciousness that arose on the Earth aeon of Solar evolution. The supra-intelligent beings of the hierarchies can perfectly well *understand* this human reasoning and the insights it reaches concerning the Whole, but they do not partake in it like a CEO does not need to partake in the operations of the mailroom workers. There is no need for them to micromanage the partial transitions between conceptual-sensory frames that unfold in lockstep with neural firings...

What Steiner is clearly commenting on in some of those quotes you shared is the Kantian tendency (shared by idealists and materialists alike) to search for 'things-themselves' or 'beings-themselves' behind phenomenal appearances, which is actually the death of all higher knowledge. It is the tendency to substitute the effort of continuous inner development with quick and easy metaphysical speculations and theoretical models, which leave the souls speculating and modeling in exactly the same state as when they started. It is the same with spiritualists who want to attribute natural phenomena to all manner of nebulous beings without actually understanding those phenomena and carefully tracing their phenomenal shadows back to higher cognitions.
Ashvin wrote:"When the mystic believes that he rises to the contemplation of God by sinking down into his own inner being, in reality he merely sees his own spirit, which he makes into God; and when Eduard von Hartmann speaks of ideas which utilise the laws of Nature as their hodmen-helpers in order to shape the building of the world, these ideas are only his own, by means of which he explains the world. Because observation of the manifestations of mind is self-observation, therefore it follows that it is man's own spirit which expresses itself in the mind, and not any external reason."

This is the fundamental objection of the article. Through abstract metaphysical speculation, the idealists and spiritualists only end up projecting their own conceptions onto the Divine. It is really simple. When we are satisfied with our projected metaphysical conceptions of the Divine, we have no MOTIVATION to retrace the Divine inwardly through cognitive development. We are not motivated to make our cognitive life self-similar to that of the Divine through Imagination, Inspiration, and Intuition. Instead, we rest comfortable with mere human intellect and inevitably lapse into dualism because we have not EXPERIENTIALLY bridged the divide between Spirit and Nature. We can see this clearly in Kantian and post-Kantian idealism as well as Eastern 'nondual' philosophies. These ultimately become self-satisfied and egotistical

Steiner was not interested in metaphysically establishing "monism" but in experientially establishing the unity of Spirit and Nature through cognitive development, the same as PoF and his other early works. This requires a true Love for the outer world and its appearances, selflessly living into those phenomenal experiences and rigorous thinking through all of its manifold relations. That is where the naturalists of his time like Haeckel could certainly be commended. But they still had the habit of EXTERNALIZING the principles derived by thinking into various mechanisms that unfold independently of human spiritual activity. It is perfectly clear from all of Steiner's early epistemological works that he fought against this externalization into blind mechanisms. The more we use phenomenology as a means of retracing the human spirit and its activity, resisting both dualistic appeals to the beyond and naturalistic externalizations into mechanisms, the more we realize the natural world order and the spiritual world order are One and the same, viewed from polar opposite cognitive perspectives.
FB wrote:All I'm asking/saying is that you believe that Steiner knew that the truth of the matter was the opposite of the profound idea he was explicating in that article. And by 'idea', I don't mean a flat intellectual notion. I'm assuming you can read that article and experience somewhat why he felt it was absolutely fundamental that people realize there is no teleological 'purpose' that played into the first forms of life.
Ashvin wrote:That is not the idea he was explicating in the article, you are reading that in. Nowhere does he say it is absolutely fundamental to realize there is no teleological purpose.

What he says is that we should realize the purpose, if there is any, can only be known by intimately investigating the end result of the evolutionary process, human spiritual activity. We cannot jump from where we have arrived to the "absolute ground" or "purpose" of reality because then we are only projecting our own conceptions rather than tracing the phenomenal relations.

Ironically, the naturalist philosophers do the same thing in the other direction. They jump from human spiritual activity to the absolute atomistic or spacetime fabric of reality, populating the latter with their own phantom mechanistic concepts. The analytic idealists and naturalists are two sides of the same coin. One theorizes absolute purpose the other absolute blind mechanism, both fail to trace human spiritual activity.
Only true spiritual phenomenology, which starts from the humble exceptional state and firm point, can resist the projective urge and trace the experiential relations further and further.
FB wrote:In other words, no matter how Steiner concieved of matter, I am curious if his notions of the intense preperation for life on Earth are easily squared with his emphatic statement that we are wrong to suppose that purposeful activity prepared the first life forms.
Ashvin wrote:Why strain so hard to find some metaphysical conclusion that simply isn't there? Steiner is trying to go deeper than ALL such metaphysical conclusions.
If the origin of life was utterly devoid of purpose, then we have irresolvable dualism, plain and simple. The whole point of the article was to advocate for the monist world-conception, not as an end-in-itself, but as a *starting point* for living phenomenology. Starting with any non-monist conception will steer our thinking toward one-sidedness, irresolvable hard problems, and therefore make higher knowledge impossible.

As Steiner makes clear in many places, there is no value in trying to find the "right" answers to these questions with the intellect. Any worldview can be internally coherent and find the 'right' concepts to describe the World process from a limited angle, within a certain domain of experience. What Steiner has always been aiming to do, young and old, is to engage in a phenomenology of ideal phenomena (such as worldviews) and spiritual activity. He aims to extend the Goethean method to the inner life. That gets us to the higher-order Ideas that cohere the 'frames' of our psychic and ideal experience, making our inner lives sensible and transforming our inner capacities and our entire self-image in the process.

That can only be fruitful if we resist lapsing into metaphysical speculations about the existential questions, spiritualistic or naturalistic, and remain faithful to living phenomenology (not just sensory phenomena, but psychic and ideal phenomena as well). That is the point of all his early epistemology works and this Haeckel article.
FB wrote:In this one, Steiner is denying an all-world-being of Reason that precedes life. And he is emphatic that a kind of thinking-feeling-willing is there within the first life forms, that this evolves eventually into the human thinking that has the capacity to transform itself and create something utterly new in the transformation.

I do not hear Steiner saying here (or in the preceding works) that the all world being is cognitive in the sense of this transformed thinking the human is capable of. I do hear him saying, in PoF, that any sense of concept of differentiation in time-space is only because of the subjective perspective. He goes so far as to say that even accurate conceptualizations of something-- if they don't take into account all of its manifestations, past and future -- are subjective products of our limited carving of the world.

I think he is more inclined to say that the all-world-being becomes anew in the very act of human thinking grasping it self-consciously. The all-world-being is longing to have this knowing experience of itself. In that sense it becomes cognitive and self-conscious. And Steiner is drawing a sharp line between this sort of understanding and one which places a cognitive predeceser to the human, one from which the very first forms of life drew their breath and direction. He says no. They drew their breath and direction from within themselves.

Because I believe (and experience to the extent I have been able) that all life is the coming into being of the whole through itself as 'part', I can justify Steiner saying there is no teleological process preceding life by recognizing that life is (always and inherently) already the expression of the fundamental aim of the world-all-being; therefore, Steiner is simply making clear that we need not look outside even the most simple form of life for a cause or purpose. And, yet, the higher cognition becomes possible only in the human, which means that the recognition that I am the all-world-being is a metamorphosis of reality rather than an understanding of how it has 'always' been.
Ashvin wrote:Jeff, you can at least acknowledge that what you are saying is in direct opposite to everything, and I mean everything, Steiner developed through spiritual science, right?

I am sure everyone in this group can confirm this is the case and I hope you wouldn't try to establish that literally everyone has fundamentally misunderstood older Steiner.

So that leaves you with the speculative proposition that older Steiner did a 180 and completely changed his outlook on the teleological process from which the very first forms of life drew their breath and direction. I even quoted the preface from Occult Science where he ANTICIPATED your (not specifically you, of course) invoking of the Haeckel article as a reason for discontinuity and addressed it.

So on what basis are justifying this tremendous discontinuity between young Steiner and older Steiner, other than your speculative and contrarian interpretations of early writings?
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