On Attaining Spiritual Sight (Part I)

[Stranger]

You haven't heard of Anthroposophical medicine, biodynamic agriculture, and Waldorf education, to name a few?

Yes I looked through them. And what groundbreaking scientific discoveries they bring! It’s really worth reading for anyone curious about the practical outcomes of SS. For example, look at this:

“the heart is not a pump; the blood moves itself and the heart reflects that movement”
Steiner, Lecture II of Spiritual Science and Medicine

So this example shows that Steiner actually attempted to get scientific knowledge about human organism and cardiovascular system from his clairvoyant participatory experience with Angelic realms. And he did not try to hide them. But the results of this enquiry everyone can evaluate for themselves, I won’t comment on it.

So there is still a strange inconsistency here, and it is not even about proving SS. Cleric just wrote:

“B says: “ the ideal of Paradise Paris always as a guiding light. But don’t close your eyes. Overcome your preferences, your sympathies and antipathies, and discover Paris as it is here and now. Then the great work begins, such that from the Paris of today will grow the Paris of the future. If you only keep dreaming of Paradise and just open your eyes from time to time to see if you’re there yet, you’re leaving it to others to build and direct your fate while you dream.”

So how is that the “great building work “ was announced but no practical outcomes in terms of scientific or technological developments ever came out, even though they supposedly could be easily accomplished from the participatory knowledge of the Angelic realms?

[AshvinP]

You haven't heard of Anthroposophical medicine, biodynamic agriculture, and Waldorf education, to name a few?

Yes I looked through them. And what groundbreaking scientific discoveries they bring! It’s really worth reading for anyone curious about the practical outcomes of SS. For example, look at this:

“the heart is not a pump; the blood moves itself and the heart reflects that movement”
Steiner, Lecture II of Spiritual Science and Medicine

So this example shows that Steiner actually attempted to get scientific knowledge about human organism and cardiovascular system from his clairvoyant participatory experience with Angelic realms. And he did not try to hide them. But the results of this enquiry everyone can evaluate for themselves, I won’t comment on it.

Yes, when we attach ourselves to the 'other approach', it's clear that we can only remain at the lowest common denominator of materialistic understandings of lawful reality rooted in atomistic 19th-century science, because a state of nebulous oneness with the Cosmos does not afford any living insights. Yet even the latest secular science has been challenging such views, and it's only those with unexamined prejudices who fail to perceive the way the wind is blowing.

Anyone can pick up a book like this one, for example, and evaluate the research and lines of reasoning for themselves. It is only our modern prejudices, our failure to investigate the living imaginative process, that keep us chained within our deadened intellectual cubes and thus suffering from all kinds of avoidable chronic diseases.

https://a.co/d/brHgipx

“This book is life-changing for those trying to understand their own bodies, or those of loved ones, and it’s truly transformative in the hands of medical professionals, especially young doctors.”—Foreword Reviews

Thomas Cowan was a 20-year-old Duke grad—bright, skeptical, and already disillusioned with industrial capitalism—when he joined the Peace Corps in the mid-1970s for a two-year tour in Swaziland. There, he encountered the work of Rudolf Steiner and Weston A. Price—two men whose ideas would fascinate and challenge him for decades to come.

Both drawn to the art of healing and repelled by the way medicine was—and continues to be—practiced in the United States, Cowan returned from Swaziland, went to medical school, and established a practice in New Hampshire and, later, San Francisco. For years, as he raised his three children, suffered the setback of divorce, and struggled with a heart condition, he remained intrigued by the work of Price and Steiner and, in particular, with Steiner’s provocative claim that the heart is not a pump. Determined to practice medicine in a way that promoted healing rather than compounded ailments, Cowan dedicated himself to understanding whether Steiner’s claim could possibly be true. And if Steiner was correct, what, then, is the heart? What is its true role in the human body?

In this deeply personal, rigorous, and riveting account, Dr. Cowan offers up a daring claim: Not only was Steiner correct that the heart is not a pump, but our understanding of heart disease—with its origins in the blood vessels—is completely wrong. And this gross misunderstanding, with its attendant medications and risky surgeries, is the reason heart disease remains the most common cause of death worldwide.

In Human Heart, Cosmic Heart, Dr. Thomas Cowan presents a new way of understanding the body’s most central organ. He offers a new look at what it means to be human and how we can best care for ourselves—and one another.

[Stranger]

a state of nebulous oneness with the Cosmos does not afford any living insights.

Ok but I’m asking again: where are the actual practical outcomes of these living insights? Where are the discoveries of new medical knowledge to cure cardiovascular diseases? For example, any drugs that could dissolve the plaque causing heart attacks and strokes causing billions of premature deaths across the world?

“In this deeply personal, rigorous, and riveting account, Dr. Cowan offers up a daring claim: Not only was Steiner correct that the heart is not a pump, but our understanding of heart disease—with its origins in the blood vessels—is completely wrong“

Amazing. I’m just speechless…. This is Science, guys!
I’m done here

[Federica]

a state of nebulous oneness with the Cosmos does not afford any living insights.

Ok but I’m asking again: where are the actual practical outcomes of these living insights? Where are the discoveries of new medical knowledge to cure cardiovascular diseases? For example, any drugs that could dissolve the plaque causing heart attacks and strokes causing billions of premature deaths across the world?

“In this deeply personal, rigorous, and riveting account, Dr. Cowan offers up a daring claim: Not only was Steiner correct that the heart is not a pump, but our understanding of heart disease—with its origins in the blood vessels—is completely wrong“

Amazing. I’m just speechless…. This is Science, guys!
I’m done here

It really is a Science - a higher one - but only those who are able to envision a new cognition can see it, through a grasp of the entire being of man, not only the physical body that you demonstrate to be stuck with, despite your daily travels in the dimension of oneness. And only those who have had the strength to develop themselves not just to envision, but also become fully resonant with Being (the real one), through that cognition, can practice that science, and heal. Few people at this point in time, but they do exist, and heal while mainstream science does what it does with the millions you speak of.

[AshvinP]

a state of nebulous oneness with the Cosmos does not afford any living insights.

Ok but I’m asking again: where are the actual practical outcomes of these living insights? Where are the discoveries of new medical knowledge to cure cardiovascular diseases? For example, any drugs that could dissolve the plaque causing heart attacks and strokes causing billions of premature deaths across the world?

“In this deeply personal, rigorous, and riveting account, Dr. Cowan offers up a daring claim: Not only was Steiner correct that the heart is not a pump, but our understanding of heart disease—with its origins in the blood vessels—is completely wrong“

Amazing. I’m just speechless…. This is Science, guys!
I’m done here

Ok, Eugene It's a bit comical how you went from "no boasting about abilities or results - love, compassion, oneness, no superiority" to showcasing the most materialistic possible stance of anyone on an idealist forum, asking about pills people can take to magically cure soul imbalances, and wielding the mindset that your materialistic medical understanding is superior to the initiatic science of all ages, which has always been a source of profound healing in communities that remain somewhat connected with the Spirit. I guess the true prideful colors of this 'other approach' are now starting to make themselves known.

[Stranger]

Ok, so, from Anthroposophical perspective, attempting to save children dying from cancer by trying to find a cure by using scientific methods is condemned as “materialistic” , and asking the SS Initiates why would not they help to find such cure by sharing their advanced knowledge is condemned as “lack of compassion”. Interesting, learning something new about Anthroposophy every day…

[Kaje977]

Ok but I’m asking again: where are the actual practical outcomes of these living insights? Where are the discoveries of new medical knowledge to cure cardiovascular diseases? For example, any drugs that could dissolve the plaque causing heart attacks and strokes causing billions of premature deaths across the world?

If you are really eager to know, they actually exist. We could talk about why they are not more known, reasons are quite difficult (such as still clinging to materialistic world views), but most of the time it's interference with divine laws and, let's face it, simply because most people just don't have the skill for it. And let's not forget that making it public also brings a lot of trouble. (Like I wouldn't want to mess with the health industry or be publicly ostracized. Even nowadays most occultists keep living by the oath of Silence)

What you are looking for specifically though, Eugene, are what is called a "Fluid Condenser". It's baffling to me that no one ever talked about this, but that's where you need to look. The initiation into the fifth Tarot card ("Alchemy") is still widely unknown and Bardon planned to write about it, but unfortunately it never happened and you're often forced to carefully look for the info yourself or intuit them, but under guidance and respect to Divine Providence, that you are never abusing it for selfish gains and purposes.

Steiner did provide a few of the conclusions of the fifth Tarot card, such as Anthrosophical Medicine and biodynamic agriculture as Ashvin mentioned. But obviously, it needs to be approached much more differently than modern, materialistic medicine and agriculture. Thoughts have influence on matter and the subtle is influenced by thoughts. Sitting in a room of skeptics and showing them spagyric and alchemical stuff will, without a doubt, lower its quality. A lot of people aren't aware how influential their thoughts actually are.

Let's get a little bit practical because (admittingly), this is what's missing a lot in occult traditions: For instance, you could magically charge a fluid condenser via the magnetic fluid (Steiner would call it "Ahrimanic etheric stream"). Amulets work in a similar way: First you impregnate them with an idea (through Thinking), and you do it as vividly as possible, as if it was pouring inside it. Then you induce the magnetic fluid (by extracting it from the watery quality) into the said amulet, from which it then becomes a charge (being near it affects you) and doesn't need to be digested. (Hence, why impregnated food usually doesn't need magnetization since it is absorbed in your body and the water region of your body (occult anatomy) deals with the rest)

[Kaje977]

By the way, the old tradition of Christian Eucharistie and in some Buddhist traditions, Ganachakra, is actually closely related to the impregnation of food ^.^

[Federica]

You haven't heard of Anthroposophical medicine, biodynamic agriculture, and Waldorf education, to name a few?

Yes I looked through them. And what groundbreaking scientific discoveries they bring! It’s really worth reading for anyone curious about the practical outcomes of SS. For example, look at this:

“the heart is not a pump; the blood moves itself and the heart reflects that movement”
Steiner, Lecture II of Spiritual Science and Medicine

So this example shows that Steiner actually attempted to get scientific knowledge about human organism and cardiovascular system from his clairvoyant participatory experience with Angelic realms. And he did not try to hide them. But the results of this enquiry everyone can evaluate for themselves, I won’t comment on it.

Yes, when we attach ourselves to the 'other approach', it's clear that we can only remain at the lowest common denominator of materialistic understandings of lawful reality rooted in atomistic 19th-century science, because a state of nebulous oneness with the Cosmos does not afford any living insights. Yet even the latest secular science has been challenging such views, and it's only those with unexamined prejudices who fail to perceive the way the wind is blowing.

Anyone can pick up a book like this one, for example, and evaluate the research and lines of reasoning for themselves. It is only our modern prejudices, our failure to investigate the living imaginative process, that keep us chained within our deadened intellectual cubes and thus suffering from all kinds of avoidable chronic diseases.

https://a.co/d/brHgipx

“This book is life-changing for those trying to understand their own bodies, or those of loved ones, and it’s truly transformative in the hands of medical professionals, especially young doctors.”—Foreword Reviews

Thomas Cowan was a 20-year-old Duke grad—bright, skeptical, and already disillusioned with industrial capitalism—when he joined the Peace Corps in the mid-1970s for a two-year tour in Swaziland. There, he encountered the work of Rudolf Steiner and Weston A. Price—two men whose ideas would fascinate and challenge him for decades to come.

Both drawn to the art of healing and repelled by the way medicine was—and continues to be—practiced in the United States, Cowan returned from Swaziland, went to medical school, and established a practice in New Hampshire and, later, San Francisco. For years, as he raised his three children, suffered the setback of divorce, and struggled with a heart condition, he remained intrigued by the work of Price and Steiner and, in particular, with Steiner’s provocative claim that the heart is not a pump. Determined to practice medicine in a way that promoted healing rather than compounded ailments, Cowan dedicated himself to understanding whether Steiner’s claim could possibly be true. And if Steiner was correct, what, then, is the heart? What is its true role in the human body?

In this deeply personal, rigorous, and riveting account, Dr. Cowan offers up a daring claim: Not only was Steiner correct that the heart is not a pump, but our understanding of heart disease—with its origins in the blood vessels—is completely wrong. And this gross misunderstanding, with its attendant medications and risky surgeries, is the reason heart disease remains the most common cause of death worldwide.

In Human Heart, Cosmic Heart, Dr. Thomas Cowan presents a new way of understanding the body’s most central organ. He offers a new look at what it means to be human and how we can best care for ourselves—and one another.

Thanks for indicating this book, Ashvin! In fact I am interested in heart disease.
Was it a simple suggestion or did you read the book?

[AshvinP]

Thanks for indicating this book, Ashvin! In fact I am interested in heart disease.
Was it a simple suggestion or did you read the book?

I am reading it right now, actually As is often the case, I switch back and forth between various books in a semi-random (or I'd like to imagine, inspired) fashion.

It's a fantastic book! The research surrounding the cardiovascular system is truly mind-blowing and it's amazing that so few people, including heart surgeons, know about it or choose to acknowledge it. My father actually had a heart operation (stent) recently, and I wish he had been able to review the research in this book first. Not that it would have necessarily changed his mind or revealed it as unnecessary, but it's always best to go into such procedures with eyes wide open.

It also delves into the spiritual implications of the latest cardiovascular knowledge, although I haven't gotten much into that portion yet. The portion discussing Frank Chester's 'chestahedron' as a way of modeling the heart is quite interesting. It sheds light on the heart's function of forming vortices that bring the water-blood into its fourth phase of 'structured water'. Here is a quote and relevant video:

My investigation into the shape of the heart didn’t really begin until I encountered the brilliant work of a contemporary San Francisco–based Waldorf teacher, sculptor, geometrician, and philosopher named Frank Chester. Chester’s interest is in forms found in nature and how they can be transformed into works of art. In 2000, following a class he took at Rudolf Steiner College, Chester became particularly interested in the Platonic solids—the three-dimensional geometric forms that Plato thought were the basis of all natural phenomena.

These five Platonic solids are unique and fascinating because they are the only “regular” convex polyhedrons. A “regular” polygon, for anyone who might legitimately need a high school geometry refresher, is a two-dimensional figure that is equiangular (that is, all its angles are equal) and equilateral (that is, all its sides are equal). So a regular polyhedron, or Platonic solid, is a three-dimensional form that is equiangular and equilateral. A cube, for example, is a common Platonic solid, or regular, convex polyhedron.

Through his knowledge of anthroposophy, Chester knew that, according to some people, Steiner had described the heart as a seven-sided form that sits in an imaginary box in the chest. Chester became intrigued with this idea and wondered if anyone had ever tried to model such a thing. He set out to sculpt this form. After many failed attempts, Frank succeeded in sculpting a chestahedron: a seven-sided form of four equilateral triangles and three kite-shaped quadrilaterals with equivalent surface areas, twelve edges, and three different symmetries. This seemingly humble achievement offers some dramatic insights into the form and function of the human heart.

Frank’s next step, as Steiner might have suggested, was to put this seven-sided form into a box—that is, the tightest cube it could fit into. In other words, imagine taking this form, facing the point down and just fitting it into a “regular” box. The apex, or point, does not fall in the center of the cube, but rather slightly off-center. Specifically, the chestahedron sits at an angle of 36 degrees off of center.3 Amazingly, this is the same angle at which the heart sits within the chest: 36 degrees off center to the left of the midline.

Chester was intrigued about what other insights into the human heart this seven-sided form might reveal. He discovered that if you slightly round off the edges of a chestahedron of proportional size, it will fit precisely into the cavity of the left ventricle, the largest chamber of our four-chambered heart. Indeed, it is the left ventricle that gives us the 36-degree angle of the heart in the chest. So now we have the inner form of the left ventricle, sitting at the same angle as the chestahedron does in a cube-shaped box.

Not stopping there, Frank then made a wire model of the chestahedron, put it into a vat of water, and spun it. The spinning chestahedron formed a vortex—a region where the flow forms around an axis line—in the water. Once the vortex formed, an area appeared in the water, a kind of negative space that appeared attached to the side of the chestahedron. (You can really appreciate this only by seeing the video of this on Frank’s website.5)

Perplexed at first, and doing something only a master sculptor could do or probably even think of doing, Frank sculpted the form of the whirling chestahedron with its attached “appendix.” He found that this appendix creates its own vortex when spun in water, but more horizontally, rather than the more vertically shaped vortex created by the chestahedron itself. This more horizontal vortex itself closely resembles the shape and attachment of the right ventricle to the left ventricle of a human heart. Chester then took a cross section of the spinning chestahedron, including its attachment near the thickest area and, again amazingly, this reproduced a similar cross section of both the right and left ventricle of the heart. The wall thicknesses are the same, the size of the cavities is the same, and the angles of attachment of the ventricles and the forms are nearly identical.

Cowan, Thomas. Human Heart, Cosmic Heart: A Doctor’s Quest to Understand, Treat, and Prevent Cardiovascular Disease (p. 40). Rizzoli. Kindle Edition.