Güney27 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 4:19 pm
AshvinP wrote: ↑Sat Feb 08, 2025 1:47 pm
Güney27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:35 pm
What did you read of him?
JDE has good videos. But it seems to me that he tries to construct an intellectual framework out of esoteric science. Nevertheless he is a very intelligent person capable of teaching complex stuff in a more or less simple way. I liked his lectures on occult science.
Only the lectures on 'What is Called Thinking'? I would be interested in your recommendations of lectures that explore the experience of thinking.
https://www.beyng.com/pages/en/BremenLe ... Thing.html
This is the English version of his lecture GA79 “Das Ding” (the thing)
Here you can see his thinking approach in his style of thinking about things. I would love to hear your thoughts on this short writing. Maybe you could connect his approach with Steiners SS instead of JDE’s. Nevertheless I found this lecture mind blowing. It’s about 10 pages or so.
Thanks, Guney, that is indeed an illustrative article!
We can always draw infinite correspondences between such intuitive philosophical explorations and the findings of spiritual science, since they are exploring the same ideal territory, i.e. the inner structure and dynamics of spiritual activity. Here are just a few things I noticed, which maybe we can discuss and elaborate on.
"The thinghood of the vessel by no means rests in the material of which it consists, but instead in the emptiness that holds."
That points to what we have referred to as the 'liminal spaces' between perceptions where invisible spiritual activity weaves. We do not encounter the reality of that spiritual activity by focusing on the content of perceptions ('the material of which it consists'), but on the invisible functions and gestures implicit in that content.
"Sufficiently thought and genuinely said, where it is essentially performed pouring is: donating, sacrificing, and therefore giving."
Thinking is our most intimate experience of the sacrificial 'pouring' essence of reality. The life of thinking activity continually extinguishes itself in our finished mental pictures such that the latter can become its firm support, so we can awaken and orient to the flow of existence.
"Only for this reason can pouring become, as soon as its essence atrophies, a mere filling up and emptying out, until it finally degenerates into the ordinary serving of drinks. Pouring is not a mere gushing in and out."
The sacred context in which our thinking flows has been obscured from intellectual vision, clouded by habitual soul tendencies, leading to the institutions, events, rituals, festivals, capacities, objects, etc. of ordinary life becoming decadent. We start to flatten out that context, encompass it as perceptual content, and imagine it is already well understood (or doesn't need to be understood), taking it for granted (such as how we produce the inner voice, which now merely 'gushes in and out'). Spiritual science traces much of how this atrophying has unfolded through the epochs.
"In the gift of the pour that is an oblation, the divinities abide in their way, divinities who receive back the gift of the giving as the gift of a donation."
Our living thinking that paints intuitive meaning as a means of
consciously anchoring and orienting to that meaning, such that we can more smoothly and effectively pursue our high ideals, is experienced from the perspective of the Divine beings who structure our soul space as a loving offering, a gift. What they have given to us as imaginative, emotional, and volitional 'substance' to work with has been returned to them, enriched (remember the parable of the talents).
https://rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA162/En ... 03p01.html
Thus, all that to-day can be developed with the help of the earthly man will progress further, and then, after the ages during which something new will have continually been developed, will arise something which this earth man can now conceive as the highest flower, the apex of the Spiritual evolution of the earth. And out of this conception will be born the power by which earth man upon Jupiter can continue his progress through himself. Thus, we can say: The conceptions of earth man become impulses—through the Soul-contents of the most evolved of humanity—for the evolution of humanity upon Jupiter.
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Now you will see that we can look deeply into the direction taken by us in the Cosmos. And when we can consider how man will have evolved—as he has progressed up to our times—all that the earthly man can yield, and begins at a higher stage where he will no longer be able to contribute anything more as earth man—when he must aspire to things beyond the powers of earthly humanity—when we thus ponder over the subject, we know why we cultivate Spiritual Science. We then know that the pursuit of Spiritual science has a profound import, and feel how brutally abstract are the questions propounded by philosophical temperaments: What is the ultimate aim of mankind? We have quite enough to do if we aim at the next goal!
And we might ask: Can not this Science of the Spirit—conscious of its task in the Cosmos—truly move our hearts, penetrate our minds and consciousness? But we feel that in us abides something that is the seed of the future in the Cosmos! And we can truly transform what we thus carry in us as knowledge into a pure mental and soul content.
"The fouring essences as the appropriating mirror-play of the ones that are simply entrusted to each other. The fouring essences as the worlding of world."
We can see how he nebulously intuits the fourfold human organization throughout this article, which mirrors the wider World (macrocosm), how they all overlap and play into one another in various ways.