On the Spiritual Essence of the Catch-22 (Part II)

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Re: On the Spiritual Essence of the Catch-22 (Part II)

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AshvinP wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:52 pm
Güney27 wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:44 pm
AshvinP wrote: Sat Aug 10, 2024 5:49 pm


By the way, sporting activities are usually good examples of when we may allow our activity to be guided by the improvisational superconscious, of course at a much more instinctive level. Many of our techniques and strategies will be calculated out from past experiences, from our years of practicing and playing, but in the midst of the activity itself, we may enter a 'flow state' in which we perform moves or feats that we didn't even know we were capable of before. The other example is artistic activity, like playing a musical instrument, or innovative mathematical-scientific activity. If we think about it, in all these cases our activity is singularly devoted to a particular theme. So these are some reference points for the concrete experience, but again this underlying superconscious flow is experienced with much greater purity in the act of concentrated thinking, the selfless art for art's sake, and thereby we increase resonance with the living experiential forces that make this improvisational capacity possible.
Ashvin,

We spoke about the methods of the orthodox Christians some time ago.
There arises a new question for me.
Is the habit of constant repetition of prayer, something that becomes unconscious or is it belonging to the superconscious? Because after sometime the prayer begins to live by itself, so does this mean that it has become habitual or unconscious?
Guney,

A simple rule is that if some mental practice requires continual presence of mind and vigilant effort to maintain, and if it even starts to feel straining and uncomfortable as we do it (in relation to our normal thinking habits), then we are drawing on the superconscious. My small experiments with the Jesus prayer have revealed that is certainly how it is experienced. The same would be true of most prayers to begin with. We will initially rely on memory to say the words, but over time it may flow more naturally and even wordlessly.

There is always the danger that we automate an activity like prayer and then it becomes a subconscious habit. In that situation, we could be saying the prayer verbally but thinking about something else entirely, just as we do with many other routine activities (ex. brushing teeth). Again, these automating tendencies are linked to selfish soul configurations, so much of it depends on how we approach the practices and exercises - with the mind container perspective, only interested in consuming meaning of prayers etc. for ourselves, to get some quick results, or the inverted perspective interested in gradually resonating with more integrated knowing perspectives that provide objective feedback on our patterns of being? Alas, there is no way to establish this inverted perspective beforehand but rather it arises through our persistent engagement with the exercises with our whole TFW being.

You may also be referring to how the prayer can be internalized, if approached with intense devotion for some time, it can become like a life process that continues to reverberate at all times, even when we are sleeping. That is essentially a spiritualization of the etheric body, making some portion of the life body into Life Spirit. For most of us, that it is a rather distant goal, whereas first we draw on the superconscious to purify the soul body so we can more easily metamorphose our state into devotional thinking states. We shouldn't imagine this purification process can be skipped or that we are "devotional" in that deeper sense simply by holding that concept in mind. Few people have it in their karma to summon such devotional intensity without many years of inner work.

I don't know much about this particular practice but my vague intuition is that, once such devotional gestures are internalized so deeply, their beneficial effects manifest precisely because we remain conscious of their influences (unlike our automatic breathing or blood circulation). It clothes our state of being as a golden aura that provides continual inner strength and inspiration for moral action in the World. We can say that we are 'praying without ceasing' because we are conscious of it at some level, whereas subconscious habits influence our state without our awareness or involvement.
Ashvin,

One thing I thought about while practicing prayer, is that it is really hard to get in a real devotional mood.
It is like indoctrinating a new feeling into our soul.
It isn’t easy to become devotional.
And I didn’t came across exercises that help.

I find great value in Christian orthodox teachings, because I see similarities in the goal their describe, compared to the goals BD or OMA describes.

I asked my self often where the power of prayer lies, and often thought about it in the third person perspective, how these words change structures in subtle „bodies“ for example.
But trough reading a lot of Clerics essays here on this forum, I try to observe how exercises change my first person becoming.
Instead of thinking about an abstract astral body, I try to observe how certain feelings, steer my way of acting.
I try to not see these things as just subjective, unimportant habits of my mind, but as belonging to the world, like a tree belongs there.

It’s hard sometimes to change the mind container mode.

I can sometimes feel more clearly that I’m a spiritual being which can navigate trough my activity trough the lawful images of sensory perception.
And there are mental things that come into my experience without me consciously willing them, and steer the flow of my actions.
I can resist them and become conscious of their existence, but that doesn’t give me knowledge about their origin or the reason of their appearance.

If I came to see the truth about this constraints that steer my activity, I can use my activity in a other way, to life in harmony with truth.

I try to live more in my first person perspective and become more conscious of it.

I read the book of kühlewind right now, and I find it a little bit abstract, although he gives good exercises.
But there is still the tendency to build an intellectual framework out of it, but that’s on me not on kühlewind.
Thank you for that recommendation.
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AshvinP wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:54 pm As we saw in the previous part, modern thinking has naturally evolved to begin contemplating its own movements. It no longer only focuses on the content of its activity, as it did especially during the 18th and 19th centuries, but also on the very nature of its activity; not only what it is thinking about but also what it is doing in the act of thinking. This pattern of recursive thinking has emerged prominently in various philosophical, theological, and scientific pursuits. The following presentation, for example, points to thinkers in diverse fields who have begun seriously investigating how the manner of their thinking influences the observations they can make and the experimental results they can participate in bringing forth. These researchers have realized that the only viable path for exploring new ideal horizons of practical significance is to actively modulate the knowing perspective engaged in research. Even the first few minutes will give us a good sense of the current recursive situation in cutting-edge scientific research.

Nevertheless, the full significance of these developments is instinctively avoided even by the recursive researchers because it ‘threatens’ the intellectual self with radical transformation if recognized and taken seriously. On one hand, all of this research is of utmost value and will stimulate humanity’s full spiritual potential once it is understood from the proper perspective. Without that perspective, on the other hand, these recursive pursuits inevitably enter the irresolvable paradox of the spiritual Catch-22 because what they seek to know - the intimate capacity of knowing - is obscured by their lack of knowing it. In other words, their recursive models don’t already contain the insights and inspirations needed to understand the models properly as artistic symbols of deeper intuitive movements. The researchers instead become intoxicated with the models and lose sight of their analogical value for orienting to the real-time inner movements that make sense of our cognitive and perceptual capacities. “Take heed therefore how ye hear…” (1).

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Each time recursive thinking approaches the Center of the Catch-22, i.e. the real-time intuitive movements that make its thinking possible, its inquiries are bounced back as if being repelled by a magnetic barrier; a Guardian of an inner knowledge threshold. It then externalizes the intuitive movements into some material, psychic, or spiritual processes other than the one in which the researcher is currently engaged. What the researcher is doing with his thinking - the inner gestures he is making - and what he is thinking about - the content of his thinking - remain hopelessly out of sync with one another, spiraling around in a hysteresis loop but never coinciding. The inner movements then begin to seek out this coincidence unconsciously, i.e. to subtly identify with its external models and search for its reality within the models, while its true reality remains merged into the background of the researcher’s conscious perspective. The models become more elaborate, encompassing, and even elucidating, but with that also comes a more intense identification and an increasing chance that thinking’s inner essence will remain obscured.

The Guardian is not a universal barrier but rather our inner tendency to carry over external thinking habits into the recursive domain, i.e. to investigate intuitive activity like it is yet another sensory phenomenon that can be eagerly consumed and encompassed with theoretical concepts. We expect that, by staring at our past thoughts in the form of doctrines, theories, and models for a long time with enough intensity, they will crack open and the secrets of the Spirit will fly out of them. We want to hack into these secrets by brute force, but with such an inner disposition, we only dissect the corpse of cognition while the life of cognition continually eludes us. I say “we” for a reason - this tendency lurks within all modern thinking and should not be underestimated for a moment, even if we have conceptualized its existence. Everything in modern life - common world outlooks, family life, educational institutions, career life, social relationships, the entertainment industry, political institutions, etc. - reinforces the tendency and therefore generally works against our adopting responsibility for the Catch-22.

Here is an image of the hysteresis loop that can help us further orient to this continual oscillation between attention to the activity of thinking and attention to the finished content of thinking.

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We can imagine this loop at the bottom represents the situation for thinking about the sensory world, when inner thinking-gestures and the content of thinking are the most out-of-phase, and narrows into slightly closer alignment when thinking approaches its own structure and movements, as seen throughout recursive research attempts. Yet it then hits a limit beyond which it cannot synchronize any further, i.e. it only briefly reaches the coincidence depicted in the top image (which we experience as “insights”), and therefore the gap widens again. As simple as it sounds, that is the basis for all philosophical, religious, and scientific theories of ‘reality’ in the modern age. The thinking at their foundations is like a pendulum that continually tries to approach the magnetic Center of its inner movements but continually gets diverted back to the periphery due to its askew ‘angle of approach’, i.e. the application of thinking habits that are maladapted to inner realities; rinse and repeat. In that scenario, these thinkers are no longer studying “cognition”, “reality”, “God”, etc. but only their own theoretical thoughts about all of those. When that fact remains unconscious, the theoretical thoughts become deceptive idols that divert attention from the inner realities they symbolize.

Why does this continually happen if the underlying issue with recursive thinking is so simple to conceptualize as we have done here? It is precisely because we have become used to only conceptualizing the issues and retaining our seemingly stable personality in the process, with all of its ordinary traits and inclinations. Normally, we say “my” favorite color, “my” preference for Chinese food, “my” belief in a religious outlook, “my” desire to engage in political activism, and so on. We feel to possess these desires, preferences, and beliefs in our center of consciousness, but simple reflection reveals that we cannot easily switch from one favorite color to another, one preference for food to another, one religious belief to another, etc. Our normal thoughts lack the creative capacity to shape these seemingly simple aspects of our soul life, so it is much easier to leave them in place and rationalize that it is our free decision. In that sense, thinking always rationalizes excuses to maintain its ‘private’ kingdom of personal desires, which in turn maintains the oscillating hysteresis loop.

It is a case of spiritual Stockholm Syndrome - our desires, preferences, etc. possess us and we have grown very fond of being possessed. We instinctively rebel when this cradle of subconscious identifications is rocked too hard, disturbing the inner status quo. This reality was also recognized by the recursive researcher of communication media, Marshall McLuhan: (2):

After we had discussed phonetically literate man as the only private individual in human history, you mentioned that the reluctance [of this type] of Western man to consider the effects of his own technologies upon his psyche and society was his simple resistance to any invasion of privacy. Let us recall how violently people resisted and resented Jung and Freud when they invaded our privacy.

The Guardian employs many tricks to enhance this resistance of intellectual thinking. It often manifests as a demand to ‘prove’ the immanence and efficacy of spiritual activity before undertaking to experience it more intimately. We want to know how the active and participatory intuitive movements can be established in a logically satisfactory way while we remain in a detached and passive state, as we are accustomed to when accumulating sensory knowledge. It is like a man demanding proof that it is possible for him to freely open the door and walk outside his house but refusing, under all circumstances, to lift his hand and turn the knob. When the passively demanded ‘proof’ of spiritual activity is unsurprisingly not forthcoming, we feel justified in our skepticism. We ignore the Catch-22 as if it doesn’t exist and continue with our same theoretical inquiries, expecting miraculous insights from them. The reality, however, is that the participatory intuitive movements create our capacity for insight and therefore necessarily transcend any insights gained so far. We will never find the intuitive movements hiding within the sphere of our past personal experience, knowledge, or worldview.

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Normally we conceive that the explanations for reality (including ourselves) should be contained within combinations of thoughts about spatial sensations and more temporally fluid inner perceptions (desires, emotions, thoughts, etc.) that we encompass ‘in front’ of our mind’s eye. The thoughts themselves may refer to Cosmic-scale realities, but we experience them as point-like entities in our heads that can be easily surveyed, manipulated, and rearranged in various ways. It is impossible to draw a ‘first-person image’, so it’s the responsibility of the reader to understand all images and descriptions as symbolizing that first-person experiential flow. That also helps us confess the nature of our ‘mind container’ perspective at an experiential level. Only then can we begin to appreciate the paradox and in what direction a resolution can be sought. For example, we can perform a mathematical calculation and notice how the symbols we use, whether pictorial or verbal, are located somewhere around the forehead and are manipulated as point-like entities. Then we can notice how it is through these same pointy thoughts that we ordinarily cognize the meaning of our feelings and sensations, our interactions and relationships with others.

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If we try to also focus on the inner gestures we are making to manipulate these point-like mathematical symbols, we start to feel quite uncomfortable and precarious, as if losing the ground beneath our feet or trying to catch a bolt of lightning in a bottle. That reveals to us how our normal thinking habits are practically useless when applied to the inner life, which always adorns the nature of an occurrence or an event, i.e. a process continually becoming. The ongoing flow of inner activity cannot be captured in a bottle, i.e. frozen in time and diagrammed or modeled, because as soon as that is done it is no longer a flow of activity but the sediment or corpse of that flow. The habits developed for studying spatial phenomena, i.e. the corpses of inner activity, simply don’t apply here.³ To enter the flow of activity, we should instead find a way to remain fully present and concentrated within the act of thinking. Our inner attentional gestures should coincide with the focused content of our attention for longer and longer.

When you think a simple man-made object, you make significant discoveries about thinking itself and its hindrances—those factors that influence its flow, or distract or put it to a stop. The more concentratedly an object can be thought about, and the more unimportant and uninteresting it is, then the more awake thinking becomes. This wakefulness normally (in concentrated reading, in handicrafts, or in scientific and artistic work) applies to the object in question. When concentration is practiced as art for art's sake on an uninteresting object, then a heightened wakefulness extends from the object or theme to the activity, the thinking, the consciousness, without being distracted from the theme.

The idea is the functioning of the object, not merely the function of the particular one used as a theme of concentration, but of all such objects. All spoons realize the same principle and perform the same service. This idea is not a mental picture, because such a representation would always be of a particular spoon, whether fantasized or actually seen. And the idea is not a word, such as spoon, because anyone unfamiliar with the function spoon will not learn it from the word spoon. It was just this pictureless, wordless idea that the inventor of the spoon had.
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Although concentration is not the topic of these articles, we will briefly survey its technique since that also helps clarify what inner obstacles we will meet and what conditions are necessary to invert our perspective and reach the pure Idea of our thinking capacity. Of course, the deeper value of this survey only arrives when we decide to undertake the concentration exercises and experience the inner obstacles for ourselves. Even if we have undertaken this artistic effort only a few times, what is described here will begin to resonate at a much deeper level and we will feel ourselves partaking in a courageous inner journey that is shared with many other souls across the past, present, and future.

We can make this idea, the function of the object, into the theme of the concentration exercise. At the beginning it doesn't work at all, and we always imagine a particular functioning object (a spoon for ladling soup) or we try to come up with a thought-out formulation of the function. Neither of these is the idea. We can ease the transition to the idea by imagining a whole row of functioning objects (small, big, ladles, etc.) and then try to see the common element in them—the idea. This requires pure thinking because the idea, the function, is not an image or a word; and words and pictures should therefore not be present in consciousness during the exercise, yet consciousness must remain awake, only without pictorial or already thought content.
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If the concentration exercise has reached this phase, that of idea concentration, as will develop organically from practice, the student is still concerned with an object. He or she wants to think the idea and wants the idea to appear, to arise, to flash forth. If this is successful, and he or she has learned to stay with it, so that it is not only a lightning flash, as it tends to be at the start, then the extension of wakefulness to the activity of consciousness will surpass in intensity all earlier experience. For in thinking the idea, activity and object are one: the idea does not exist outside of the activity that thinks it; there is no memory of it and it can never be thought out. We could also say that now we really know what spoon means. The self-perception of thinking has raised itself from past consciousness into presentness.
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In every kind of exercise, we achieve a first success with relative ease. The second success is generally much harder to reach. This is because, after the first time, the practitioner forms a memory, a mental picture of the experience, almost against his will, and he then awaits its recurrence. The second and third experiences will always be different from what preceded them.
(5)


So we see that, to intuitively perceive the ‘lightning flash’ of our real-time thinking in any lasting way, we need to overcome odds that are impossibly stacked against us. As discussed in another article on the subconscious and superconscious, as soon as we make a ‘second pass’ on the concentration attempt, our inner activity is already constrained by the memory image of what we did on the first pass. We instinctively form expectations surrounding the memory experience and those attract our inner activity back to the same sort of habitual gestures that are employed in theoretical modeling of sensory life. This spiritual activity takes its cues for movement from fully finished experiences (subconscious) rather than remaining receptively present within the living flow of experience in potentia (superconscious). As Kuhlewind notes, that happens ‘almost against our will’, i.e. no matter how much we desire to avoid it.

It is necessary for all souls to pass through the trials of recursive research, including habituated concentration, as preparation for approaching the inner threshold of knowledge. The inner Guardian of our subconscious soul tendencies must be squarely confronted and objectively perceived before it can be crossed safely. Exploring these inner realities as we are doing now, even if only in abstract thought to begin with, helps us acclimate to their novel conditions and realize that an entirely new kind of inner configuration is needed to investigate them, where it is no longer ‘our will’ holding the reigns of spiritual activity but a higher Will into which the former has voluntarily merged.

We can also have some idea of a quite distinct will, all too clear and distinct, in fact, for our normal consciousness. The “dark” will takes hold of our bodily actions, and it cannot be consciously followed. But when we think very concentratedly, improvisationally, how do we do it? We consciously determine what we will think about, then we let thinking itself take over, while we calm our subjective willfulness as much as possible. There is a particular kind of will hidden within this will that we have allowed to take control. I do not think a particular thing; I don't even know what thought will come up in the next moment. The will in this improvisational thinking is at one with the thinking itself. It is a thought will and is not willed by me. In pure, concentrated thinking, there is always this superconscious will. In this will, in turn, the feeling for what is evident (which propels thinking) also lies hidden. Can I say that this will is my own? Not at all; I merely set it in motion, and I am not even conscious of how I do so.
(6)


It is important to note that this inner configuration is not dissociating from spiritual activity or surrendering to ‘witness consciousness’, as is common in many modern forms of meditation. We do not become passive and renounce our sense of “doership” within the experiential flow. Several recursive researchers, such as Vervaeke and Hoffman, have recognized the value of meditation in our knowing efforts, but the proper form of meditation is not perceived clearly. By uniting with the higher Will, we should only grow more responsible for our spiritual activity and creatively active within domains of potential meaning from which our normal thoughts condense. We should directly experience how our thoughts are shaped and steered along ‘curvatures’ of more integrated meaning. In that sense, it is a purification of the state we always experience when engaging in mathematical, artistic, or generally innovative thinking activity. That superconscious state is normally overlaid with wildly oscillating emotions and thoughts that collapse its pure flow and therefore it mostly escapes notice.

Careful attention to the thinking process nevertheless reveals that original and creative insights never arrive from combinations of thoughts within the ‘mind container’ but from the ‘other direction’, from unperceived and unknown inner depths, as we discussed briefly when mentioning the ‘flow state’ in Part I.

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To better resonate with these inflowing insights, we need a fundamental inversion of perspective through which we intuitively experience how the sources of phenomenal reality exist ‘behind’ our mind’s eye and creatively structure our first-person perspective on all phenomenal content. We no longer try to rigidly lay hold of and freeze the inner gestures as we do with the pointy thoughts, but we start to intuitively feel our knowing gestures modulated by a more open-ended domain of mysterious potential. Our sensory-emotional-thought life is stirred like a pot of water in one way and we experience philosophical thoughts, in another way and we experience scientific thoughts, in another and we experience political thoughts, etc. That is a simple image and should not be taken too literally, but only as a loose symbol for orientation to the inner first-person reality. We need to release our domineering grasp over our finished thoughts within the mind container and instead experience those thoughts as artistic expressions of more mysterious intuitive movements that belong, not only to us personally, but to a constellation of spiritually active beings to which we also belong, as a vital system belongs to an organism.

The inversion is akin to the shift from a me-centered perspective (geocentric) to an Other-centered perspective (Heliocentric). We become less interested in what we can know about reality through our point-like thoughts and more interested in how we are known by reality through more integrated forms of cognition. These forms encompass the interests of many beings over both individual lifetimes and evolutionary timescales. Most of us have perceived ourselves in an unfamiliar light at least a few times, like when hearing our voice recorded or awakening to some psychophysical trait or habit we were previously merged with. These are highly uncomfortable experiences until we realize, through the lens of the inverted perspective, the infinitely valuable feedback they provide for our inner knowledge. It is not about fixating on negative qualities of the past but exploring new vistas of our being by perceiving the old ones in a brand new light, understanding the deeper context in which those old qualities were placed.

In the words of McLuhan, “the medium is the message”, i.e. the knowing gestures, the spiritual ‘substance’, through which the content of our knowing is conveyed, become more important for our knowledge and our overall way of being than the content itself. We become more interested in what inner qualities and capacities can be developed from understanding the medium in which our knowing unfolds.

McLuhan uses the term "message" to signify content and character. The content of the medium is a message that can be easily grasped and the character of the medium is another message which can be easily overlooked. McLuhan says "Indeed, it is only too typical that the 'content' of any medium blinds us to the character of the medium". For McLuhan, it was the medium itself that shaped and controlled "the scale and form of human association and action".[5] Taking the movie as an example, he argued that the way this medium played with conceptions of speed and time transformed "the world of sequence and connections into the world of creative configuration and structure". Therefore, the message of the movie medium is this transition from "lineal connections" to "configurations."[6] Extending the argument for understanding the medium as the message itself, he proposed that the "content of any medium is always another medium"[7] – thus, speech is the content of writing, writing is the content of print, and print itself is the content of the telegraph.

The medium is always the result of past spiritual activity that has receded into memory and become the context for present activity. Normally the medium remains mostly subconscious and therefore becomes a habitual constraint on the degrees of freedom through which present activity can engage with perceptual content. By placing the content in its proper symbolic role with respect to the knowing gestures, however, the medium which was once a subconscious constraining factor on our spiritual activity is transmuted into a liberating factor. The function of the contextual medium in which our gestures unfold, in that sense, depends on what intentional perspective we approach it with. Visual entertainment media, for example, normally distracts our attention from the flow of living experiences and makes us passive, but the inverted perspective can mine that same media for its underlying message, i.e. its deeper and more intimate spiritual structure that contextualizes the content. In that way, present activity can begin to engage with the content without also being blinded to the character of its medium.

All of this can begin to sound overly technical but the above illustrations, metaphors, and examples are all pointing to a very simple inner reality that, nevertheless, needs to be approached from many angles before it can be oriented to and internalized properly. It is about the gradual and ongoing reorientation of our myopic and selfish sensory-intellectual perspective. This reorientation will only cease when the entire mind container has been turned inside-out and the true meaning of its content has been integrated. The mind-container personality is the polar opposite of the Divine personality; the quintessential Other-centered personality.⁷ To understand the inner depths of the Divine personality, our interests need to become self-similar to its interests. The Divine personality is always interested in the healthy or unhealthy reverberations of spiritual activity throughout the whole Cosmic organism. Let’s try to orient further to what this inversion means.

We normally only consider the significance of sensory impressions, emotions, ideas, interactions, and relationships for us. It is about figuring out what experiences will bring us pleasure, happiness, comfort and security, a sense of cleverness and wide-ranging knowledge, status and reputation, etc. Sometimes we fantasize about the inner lives of others, but that is only to the extent it concerns what they are thinking and feeling about us. With that myopic focus, however, we continually lose sight of what significance our spiritual activity has for various constellations of other beings. That significance is always present but it is aliased from our me-centered perspective. We can take a look around our room right now, for example, and easily assess how many items wouldn’t be there or would be in a different configuration if we had not employed our spiritual activity in certain ways. Even that is rarely paid attention to, let alone the impact our activity has had on family, relatives, friends, associates, clients, and people we have generally interacted with in the past. We can imagine how the inner experience of these souls would be quite different if we had never existed.

That doesn’t mean their lives would necessarily be better or worse, but simply that our existence and activity leave objective footprints within the inner lives of many beings. The objective reality of these footprints is normally drowned out by our me-centered sensory existence based on personal desires, interests, and knowledge. Imagine if our eyes kept the meaning of the images they perceived for themselves and that meaning wasn’t shared with the mind or body, the ears kept the sounds they heard for themselves, the stomach kept the food ingested for itself, the lungs kept the air, etc. Then the human organism would no longer be able to function and accomplish its aims. In reality, the senses and the organs share the meaning of their respective impressions, substances, and processes with each other and can only function properly through the continual coordination of their meaningful activity. We can learn from our living body and treat the meaning approached through thinking in a similar manner, as a common substance to be creatively coordinated for high functional aims.

We have instinctively been approaching this threshold between what others’ activity means to us and what our activity means for others, which is the same threshold we have discussed as thinking that seeks to know its capacity for knowing. In other words, our capacity to know arises through our ability to resonate with the inner lives of other beings objectively, particularly in relation to how their inner lives are entangled with our knowing perspective and spiritual activity. All contextual media we interact with can be traced to the impulses and intents of beings. The objective footprints we impress through our activity are like tracks in the ground that stimulate us to retrace those impulses and intents. This inner resonance is what we are always seeking when we try to derive laws, archetypes, and principles that bring coherence to the fragmented content of experience, except we normally remain unconscious of this fact. Through the inversion, we reach the archetype of thinking as such, bringing coherence to the very capacities of perceiving and knowing.

Just as the recursive research of philosophers and scientists has greatly expanded in recent decades, so have various ecological and social movements concerned with the collective footprint of humanity. Thinkers in this area have instinctively noticed that many rapidly degenerating conditions of the social and physical environments can be traced back to our me-centered spiritual activity. Yet these movements also fall into the recursive trap we previously saw in the camera experiment. They bring the same well-worn sensory thinking habits into this inner domain and are thus repelled by the Central magnet, the inner Guardian, generating increasingly external and bureaucratic programs. Although they may start with the best intentions, the partakers in these movements often end up blaming others for the World’s problems instead of taking responsibility for the objective footprints of their spiritual activity. What started as a ‘humanist’ pursuit eventually gets reversed into the exact opposite; a prioritizing of abstract ‘nature’ and human collectives over the spiritual dignity of the creatively responsible human individual (e.g. identity politics).

It is the same trend with humanity’s beeline towards the ‘technological singularity’. We can either transcend the Catch-22 by taking responsibility for our thinking through the fully conscious inversion of perspective, or we can try to avoid it by ceasing thinking altogether, which is the unconscious aim of ‘transhumanist’ pursuits that externalize spiritual activity into mechanical devices. Again, these are our daily pursuits, every time we desire to remain passive and let our technological devices do the imaginative movements for us while we only consume the results as end-users to gratify personal desires. When the spiritual essence of the Catch-22 remains unconscious, the instinctive approaches to understanding and dealing with it can only become more and more pathological and parasitic; more degenerative and cancerous. Instead of taking creative responsibility for the footprints left by our spiritual activity, fueled by our selfish desires and passions, we develop various technologies and excuses to continue indulging those passions.

What you think, you become.
What you feel, you attract.
What you imagine, you create.

-Buddha


A major issue here is the recursive negative feedback that results from the Catch-22. When spiritual activity remains tightly conditioned to myopic interests and desires, the correlations between bodily processes and psychic life will only become more encompassing. For example, the presentation at the beginning mentioned how Warren McCulloch, through his ‘experimental epistemology’, wondered about the correlation between a circular topology of neural nets and motivational pathways that put us on an ‘endless treadmill’. It is all too easy for the mind container perspective to conclude from such correlations that psychic life is caused by mechanical neural nets and can be reduced to them. That is because the psychic life of many people is rapidly becoming a total reflection of bodily appetites, sense-based thoughts, and corresponding physiological processes. They are increasingly motivated by only the me-centered sensory life that runs in circular loops, like a hamster on a wheel, since the corpse of religious impulses that traditionally directed attention to the ‘beyond’ continues to decompose. Machines then appear to become more conscious and intelligent, for example, relative to how unconscious and mechanistic our thinking is becoming.

That is a most pernicious expression of the Catch-22 - the longer the selfish soul life holds the reigns of recursive thinking, the more difficult it becomes for thinking to incarnate the intuitive movements that transcend bodily processes. Even if the intuitive movements are somehow discovered in this scenario - even if they are staring us in the face, so to speak - they will no longer be recognized. If we meet a man with a cane and start to identify his essence with the idea of physical infirmity and the image of the cane, the next time we see him without the cane we may walk right by without saying hello. Indeed, as we have seen, many thinkers today already walk right by the inner significance of their research without a moment’s hesitation (and a moment is all it takes to notice), while the conditions for noticing are only becoming worse. The more intuitive movements of thinking identify themselves with external processes in the form of models, theories, systems, or doctrines, the more difficult it becomes for them to experience their essence in purity.

As we can see, all roads of modern inquiry lead to the threshold of the spiritual Catch-22. We can also notice something of untold importance about this threshold. Modern inquiries in philosophy, science, and theology all have one thing in common - they attempt to discern, through thinking, what reality could be ‘within’, ‘behind’, ‘beyond’, etc. the sensory appearances of the World. In other words, they try to answer the question of how reality could be experienced without the meditation of the neurosensory organism. Implicit in all such inquiries is the fact that the latter veils subtle experiences of critical importance for our orientation to the true nature of the World and, correspondingly, of our own souls. That is why the threshold of modern recursive thinking is none other than that of physical death. It is the great black hole of experience that we all know is inevitably on the horizon but most of us avoid thinking through in any concrete way.

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We glorify death in movies, we pay homage to it in ceremonies, we analyze the fear of its effects in psychology, we speculate about it in philosophy and theology, etc., but we don’t truly think through its significance in the lawful flow of experience. Hardly any modern thinkers are comfortable with the prospect of attaining concrete knowledge of what is experienced after death (or before birth), yet there is no other way of ‘phase-shifting’ our thinking through the threshold of the Catch-22 so our ‘thought-rays’ are not continually reflected around the periphery. The great creative task of our time is to invert through the ‘event horizon’ of death that normally tears our concepts to pieces if they are rich in worldly assumptions and prejudices. We must do something inwardly that makes our spiritual activity receptive to the heavenly benediction which can spiritualize our concepts and allow them to pass through the ‘eye of the needle’ unharmed.⁸

Religious impulses from East to West cultivated moral forces in human souls over the last few millennia as if anticipating the need for their beneficial action in the present day so that modern souls could invert through the threshold of death and experience the more integrated meaning of their spiritual activity, reorienting from the rampant me-centered perspective. Yet, as individual beings who have laid the foundation for freedom in thinking, we can no longer submit to such forces based on ancient tradition. Moral virtues that are simply accepted on authority have been stripped of their virtuous character. Now each recursive thinker must cultivate the virtuous forces within themselves from intimate knowledge of their meaningful functions in the evolutionary drama of human history. In the next part, we will draw our attention to a few core functions of moral virtues with the help of quotes, images, and brief elaborations.

To briefly summarize the main points discussed above:

- Modern thinking is recursively attempting to grasp its living flow of activity but continually freezes that activity and only contemplates the decaying corpses of that activity, i.e. its thought-content never coincides with its inner gestures such that it can cross the threshold of inner knowledge.

- That happens because habits developed from interacting with the sensory world are carried over into studying the supersensible structure of spiritual activity, i.e. the mind container perspective, which seeks to know the World while remaining in a detached, passive state and preserving its ‘private’ kingdom of personal desires.

- To invert its perspective, the mind container should release its domineering grasp on meaningful content and become sensitive to how it is grasped, allowing itself to be known for the sake of the Whole.

- Instead of intellectually freezing the flow of inner activity in models and habitual expectations, it should intuitively feel its way into that flow as if through resonance.

- That means we become less interested in what the World content means for us and more interested in what our activity means for the World, i.e. our interests become self-similar to the quintessential Other-centered Divine interest and we seek to resonate with the inner lives of other beings who comprise the World content with and through us.

- The longer the inversion of perspective is put off, the more difficult it becomes to experientially resonate with our underlying inner activity.

- This moral-scientific technique requires the free and gradual cultivation of a virtuous disposition based on intimate knowledge and high transpersonal ideals.

CITATIONS

1 Luke 8:18

2 Marshall McLuhan, Letter to Allen Maruyama (11 January 1972)

3 Matthew 9:17
“Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

4 Kuhlewind, Georg. From Normal to Healthy (pp. 167-168).

5 Id.

6 Kuhlewind, Georg. From Normal to Healthy (pp. 32-33)

7 1 John 4:16
“And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.”

8 Mark 10:25
“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”
Ashvin,

could you elaborate this to me in another way please .
I don’t really get the idea you try to express, but I feel that it is important
The medium is always the result of past spiritual activity that has receded into memory and become the context for present activity. Normally the medium remains mostly subconscious and therefore becomes a habitual constraint on the degrees of freedom through which present activity can engage with perceptual content. By placing the content in its proper symbolic role with respect to the knowing gestures, however, the medium which was once a subconscious constraining factor on our spiritual activity is transmuted into a liberating factor. The function of the contextual medium in which our gestures unfold, in that sense, depends on what intentional perspective we approach it with. Visual entertainment media, for example, normally distracts our attention from the flow of living experiences and makes us passive, but the inverted perspective can mine that same media for its underlying message, i.e. its deeper and more intimate spiritual structure that contextualizes the content. In that way, present activity can begin to engage with the content without also being blinded to the character of its medium.

I don’t really have a grasp on the term intuitive movement.
Do you mean the activity in thinking ?
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Güney27 wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:13 pm
AshvinP wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:52 pm
Güney27 wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 8:44 pm

Ashvin,

We spoke about the methods of the orthodox Christians some time ago.
There arises a new question for me.
Is the habit of constant repetition of prayer, something that becomes unconscious or is it belonging to the superconscious? Because after sometime the prayer begins to live by itself, so does this mean that it has become habitual or unconscious?
Guney,

A simple rule is that if some mental practice requires continual presence of mind and vigilant effort to maintain, and if it even starts to feel straining and uncomfortable as we do it (in relation to our normal thinking habits), then we are drawing on the superconscious. My small experiments with the Jesus prayer have revealed that is certainly how it is experienced. The same would be true of most prayers to begin with. We will initially rely on memory to say the words, but over time it may flow more naturally and even wordlessly.

There is always the danger that we automate an activity like prayer and then it becomes a subconscious habit. In that situation, we could be saying the prayer verbally but thinking about something else entirely, just as we do with many other routine activities (ex. brushing teeth). Again, these automating tendencies are linked to selfish soul configurations, so much of it depends on how we approach the practices and exercises - with the mind container perspective, only interested in consuming meaning of prayers etc. for ourselves, to get some quick results, or the inverted perspective interested in gradually resonating with more integrated knowing perspectives that provide objective feedback on our patterns of being? Alas, there is no way to establish this inverted perspective beforehand but rather it arises through our persistent engagement with the exercises with our whole TFW being.

You may also be referring to how the prayer can be internalized, if approached with intense devotion for some time, it can become like a life process that continues to reverberate at all times, even when we are sleeping. That is essentially a spiritualization of the etheric body, making some portion of the life body into Life Spirit. For most of us, that it is a rather distant goal, whereas first we draw on the superconscious to purify the soul body so we can more easily metamorphose our state into devotional thinking states. We shouldn't imagine this purification process can be skipped or that we are "devotional" in that deeper sense simply by holding that concept in mind. Few people have it in their karma to summon such devotional intensity without many years of inner work.

I don't know much about this particular practice but my vague intuition is that, once such devotional gestures are internalized so deeply, their beneficial effects manifest precisely because we remain conscious of their influences (unlike our automatic breathing or blood circulation). It clothes our state of being as a golden aura that provides continual inner strength and inspiration for moral action in the World. We can say that we are 'praying without ceasing' because we are conscious of it at some level, whereas subconscious habits influence our state without our awareness or involvement.
Ashvin,

One thing I thought about while practicing prayer, is that it is really hard to get in a real devotional mood.
It is like indoctrinating a new feeling into our soul.
It isn’t easy to become devotional.
And I didn’t came across exercises that help.

I find great value in Christian orthodox teachings, because I see similarities in the goal their describe, compared to the goals BD or OMA describes.

I asked my self often where the power of prayer lies, and often thought about it in the third person perspective, how these words change structures in subtle „bodies“ for example.
But trough reading a lot of Clerics essays here on this forum, I try to observe how exercises change my first person becoming.
Instead of thinking about an abstract astral body, I try to observe how certain feelings, steer my way of acting.
I try to not see these things as just subjective, unimportant habits of my mind, but as belonging to the world, like a tree belongs there.

It’s hard sometimes to change the mind container mode.

I can sometimes feel more clearly that I’m a spiritual being which can navigate trough my activity trough the lawful images of sensory perception.
And there are mental things that come into my experience without me consciously willing them, and steer the flow of my actions.
I can resist them and become conscious of their existence, but that doesn’t give me knowledge about their origin or the reason of their appearance.

If I came to see the truth about this constraints that steer my activity, I can use my activity in a other way, to life in harmony with truth.

I try to live more in my first person perspective and become more conscious of it.

I read the book of kühlewind right now, and I find it a little bit abstract, although he gives good exercises.
But there is still the tendency to build an intellectual framework out of it, but that’s on me not on kühlewind.
Thank you for that recommendation.

That's great, Guney, all that you express above is clear and shows a healthy intuitive orientation to these ideas.

It's a really mysterious situation we have come to inhabit as modern humans. For ex., one could look at the mind container image in the essay and say, "I don't see anything like this container in my experience, what is so profound about this simple drawing, what is this supposed to mean?" Then we respond that it is a symbol for entirely first-person experience, in this case, our experience of point-like thoughts that we manipulate in our head and are supposed to represent various aspects of reality. If we work with manipulating some mathematical symbols and pay attention to the experience, then we grow more sensitive to the concrete reality of this perspective. We start to become more conscious of how we are always thinking from this mind container perspective throughout the day, but we rarely pay attention to it.

But then we still feel like there should be something else that 'explains' why this perspective exists, how it originates, and so forth. The first-person perspective keeps seeking its true reality in something outside its own intimate experience of itself. This is something we will gradually grow more comfortable resisting and we will begin to feel that the only possible explanation is the meaningful experience itself. Reality is 'made of' first-person meaningful experience and nothing else. It is true that our perspective on that experience will continue to expand as we develop further, but we shouldn't imagine the origin, reasons, etc. will be found as anything other than the same sort of meaningful experience we are experiencing when we resist and become conscious of habits that steer the flow of thinking, feeling, and actions. That simple yet intimate experience is already more of a true explanation than any descriptions of 'mechanisms' or 'subtle planes' or 'spiritual beings' we would find in secular or spiritual texts.

We should cherish that intimate experience and let it be cultivated further. It will eventually be found that all the esoteric terminology of spiritual science is just like the mind container image or the phonograph metaphor, etc. - it all symbolizes first-person flow of spiritual activity, intuitive movements, thinking gestures, or whatever other concepts we use to anchor our intuition of lawful metamorphoses of experience that we are somehow involved in. The "intuitive movements" are what we vaguely sense when we do a math operation and then try to shift focus from the mathematical content of the mental pictures onto what we are doing to manipulate the mental pictures. That's all it is, a conceptual anchor for our vague sense of whatever that is.
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AshvinP wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:51 pm
Güney27 wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 9:13 pm
AshvinP wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 1:52 pm

Guney,

A simple rule is that if some mental practice requires continual presence of mind and vigilant effort to maintain, and if it even starts to feel straining and uncomfortable as we do it (in relation to our normal thinking habits), then we are drawing on the superconscious. My small experiments with the Jesus prayer have revealed that is certainly how it is experienced. The same would be true of most prayers to begin with. We will initially rely on memory to say the words, but over time it may flow more naturally and even wordlessly.

There is always the danger that we automate an activity like prayer and then it becomes a subconscious habit. In that situation, we could be saying the prayer verbally but thinking about something else entirely, just as we do with many other routine activities (ex. brushing teeth). Again, these automating tendencies are linked to selfish soul configurations, so much of it depends on how we approach the practices and exercises - with the mind container perspective, only interested in consuming meaning of prayers etc. for ourselves, to get some quick results, or the inverted perspective interested in gradually resonating with more integrated knowing perspectives that provide objective feedback on our patterns of being? Alas, there is no way to establish this inverted perspective beforehand but rather it arises through our persistent engagement with the exercises with our whole TFW being.

You may also be referring to how the prayer can be internalized, if approached with intense devotion for some time, it can become like a life process that continues to reverberate at all times, even when we are sleeping. That is essentially a spiritualization of the etheric body, making some portion of the life body into Life Spirit. For most of us, that it is a rather distant goal, whereas first we draw on the superconscious to purify the soul body so we can more easily metamorphose our state into devotional thinking states. We shouldn't imagine this purification process can be skipped or that we are "devotional" in that deeper sense simply by holding that concept in mind. Few people have it in their karma to summon such devotional intensity without many years of inner work.

I don't know much about this particular practice but my vague intuition is that, once such devotional gestures are internalized so deeply, their beneficial effects manifest precisely because we remain conscious of their influences (unlike our automatic breathing or blood circulation). It clothes our state of being as a golden aura that provides continual inner strength and inspiration for moral action in the World. We can say that we are 'praying without ceasing' because we are conscious of it at some level, whereas subconscious habits influence our state without our awareness or involvement.
Ashvin,

One thing I thought about while practicing prayer, is that it is really hard to get in a real devotional mood.
It is like indoctrinating a new feeling into our soul.
It isn’t easy to become devotional.
And I didn’t came across exercises that help.

I find great value in Christian orthodox teachings, because I see similarities in the goal their describe, compared to the goals BD or OMA describes.

I asked my self often where the power of prayer lies, and often thought about it in the third person perspective, how these words change structures in subtle „bodies“ for example.
But trough reading a lot of Clerics essays here on this forum, I try to observe how exercises change my first person becoming.
Instead of thinking about an abstract astral body, I try to observe how certain feelings, steer my way of acting.
I try to not see these things as just subjective, unimportant habits of my mind, but as belonging to the world, like a tree belongs there.

It’s hard sometimes to change the mind container mode.

I can sometimes feel more clearly that I’m a spiritual being which can navigate trough my activity trough the lawful images of sensory perception.
And there are mental things that come into my experience without me consciously willing them, and steer the flow of my actions.
I can resist them and become conscious of their existence, but that doesn’t give me knowledge about their origin or the reason of their appearance.

If I came to see the truth about this constraints that steer my activity, I can use my activity in a other way, to life in harmony with truth.

I try to live more in my first person perspective and become more conscious of it.

I read the book of kühlewind right now, and I find it a little bit abstract, although he gives good exercises.
But there is still the tendency to build an intellectual framework out of it, but that’s on me not on kühlewind.
Thank you for that recommendation.

That's great, Guney, all that you express above is clear and shows a healthy intuitive orientation to these ideas.

It's a really mysterious situation we have come to inhabit as modern humans. For ex., one could look at the mind container image in the essay and say, "I don't see anything like this container in my experience, what is so profound about this simple drawing, what is this supposed to mean?" Then we respond that it is a symbol for entirely first-person experience, in this case, our experience of point-like thoughts that we manipulate in our head and are supposed to represent various aspects of reality. If we work with manipulating some mathematical symbols and pay attention to the experience, then we grow more sensitive to the concrete reality of this perspective. We start to become more conscious of how we are always thinking from this mind container perspective throughout the day, but we rarely pay attention to it.

But then we still feel like there should be something else that 'explains' why this perspective exists, how it originates, and so forth. The first-person perspective keeps seeking its true reality in something outside its own intimate experience of itself. This is something we will gradually grow more comfortable resisting and we will begin to feel that the only possible explanation is the meaningful experience itself. Reality is 'made of' first-person meaningful experience and nothing else. It is true that our perspective on that experience will continue to expand as we develop further, but we shouldn't imagine the origin, reasons, etc. will be found as anything other than the same sort of meaningful experience we are experiencing when we resist and become conscious of habits that steer the flow of thinking, feeling, and actions. That simple yet intimate experience is already more of a true explanation than any descriptions of 'mechanisms' or 'subtle planes' or 'spiritual beings' we would find in secular or spiritual texts.

We should cherish that intimate experience and let it be cultivated further. It will eventually be found that all the esoteric terminology of spiritual science is just like the mind container image or the phonograph metaphor, etc. - it all symbolizes first-person flow of spiritual activity, intuitive movements, thinking gestures, or whatever other concepts we use to anchor our intuition of lawful metamorphoses of experience that we are somehow involved in. The "intuitive movements" are what we vaguely sense when we do a math operation and then try to shift focus from the mathematical content of the mental pictures onto what we are doing to manipulate the mental pictures. That's all it is, a conceptual anchor for our vague sense of whatever that is.
It seems to me that every exercise given by GK is to be more conscious, to resist the flow that usually steer or becoming, and to experience it more concretely.

Is higher cognition nothing more that becoming conscious of what is steering our life, in a imaginal form?
For example the forces that crystallize as the nervous system or that spiritual activity (spirit) is immortal , how are such things known through higher cognition?

It is true that the intellect isn’t able to understand deeper reality.
The evidence lies in questions like “how do you know that we do not live in a matrix or simulation?”.

One thing I have a hard time to understand is, how do we become more conscious of the intuitive movements trough anchor it in a thought image in concentration, because we still live in consciousness of thought images and a vague feeling of our activity.
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Güney27 wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2024 11:12 pm Ashvin,

could you elaborate this to me in another way please .
I don’t really get the idea you try to express, but I feel that it is important

For reference, Guney, most of what is discussed in this essay was also in Cleric's phonograph essays. The whole idea that recursive thinking about thinking can never catch itself from the mind container perspective, for ex., was expressed as follows:

In our mind we try to analyze the flow of existence. For example, we envision states of a physical universe and try to find some logical rules that explain how one state (movie frame of existence) transforms into the next. The trouble with this approach is that the thinking that projects these mental models always remains in the background, in a blind spot as it were. It is obvious for science that if the model is to be complete, it should somehow capture also the processes that constitute the thinking process itself. So, in our modern scientific thinking we can make a mental model of the World groove and say “when our states transform through the curvature of the groove and vibrate thus and thus, we experience so and so.” To include our thinking about the World in our model, we may try to modify the above picture in the following way:


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Now the World states (the circular lattices) represent our moment-by-moment perspectival experience of existence. These frames contain our thoughts about the model of reality (the movie strip frames) just like a line of dialog in the movie spans over several frames. This, however, leads to a recursive paradox because if we remember the blind spot, everything that we tried to overcome, applies to our present situation too. The picture above is still only a mental image in our mind (we may draw a thought-bubble around it). So, it seems that we can make mental models for our experience of existence, but these always remain mere thoughts about some theoretical existence. If we try to overcome the blind spot and capture in the model our real-time thinking process which thinks the model, we feel like a dog chasing its tail. Our thinking is like a hand that tries to draw a picture of ‘itself drawing a picture of ‘itself drawing a picture of itself ‘…’ ’ ’, and so on in an infinite recursion.

If we understand the above at some experiential level, then there is no need to worry much about getting the same idea as expressed in this Catch-22 essay. Of course, it helps to explore from many different angles, but we will surely become more comfortable with that over time. The rest of this essay is simply elucidating how we might approach relaxing the mind container perspective through the conscious cultivation of moral virtues, which gradually help us invert the perspective. It helps to know not only that we should concentrate, pray, etc., but to also explore how/why those exercises serve the functions they do. Again, we are not coming up with 'how/why' mechanisms but simply moving our imaginative thinking thoroughly through the qualities and states described. For ex., when we talk about the mind container perspective consuming experiences and meaning for itself, we can really try to sense the immoral qualities, maybe even accompany it with an image of a voracious creature devouring everything in its path. Of course, it is the same thing in the other direction when we speak of gratitude, devotion, love, etc. We can try to transport ourselves into these states, to imagine scenes that inspire us like a beautiful sunset, even if the feeling lasts for only a second or two. All of that is very helpful in becoming more sensitive to the intuitive movements that comprise our capacity to know.

I will try to address your latest questions tomorrow.
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Güney27 wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:31 am It seems to me that every exercise given by GK is to be more conscious, to resist the flow that usually steer or becoming, and to experience it more concretely.

Is higher cognition nothing more that becoming conscious of what is steering our life, in a imaginal form?
For example the forces that crystallize as the nervous system or that spiritual activity (spirit) is immortal , how are such things known through higher cognition?

It is true that the intellect isn’t able to understand deeper reality.
The evidence lies in questions like “how do you know that we do not live in a matrix or simulation?”.

One thing I have a hard time to understand is, how do we become more conscious of the intuitive movements trough anchor it in a thought image in concentration, because we still live in consciousness of thought images and a vague feeling of our activity.

Yes, these are all the grooves of the World state through which our existential movie unfolds (lawful metamorphoses of sensory, emotional, and mental experience). Through our spiritual activity (TFW), we both perceive and shape (record and write) the grooves. When we think-will a triangle, for ex., we write a thought into the World state and this appears in close synchronization with our spiritual activity. When we think-will our limbs to perform some deed, on the other hand, we also write the physical groove of the World state but the fuller significance of this only appears in our next incarnation. What we do with our limbs in one incarnation forms the basis of our head organization and physical body in the next incarnation. So we can see that, by becoming conscious of the grooves that contextualize and steer our life, we are also becoming conscious of the depth of spiritual activity across incarnations that shape what we experience as the 'physical world'. It is the same spiritual activity that crystallizes our physical systems, organs, etc, except the activity and the result are most out-of-phase i.e. experienced as spread across lifetimes. As we become sensitive further and further within that depth, we move from feeling alone with our personal activity to working in concert with and through the activity of many other beings. The physical body is truly a collaborative project between many human souls working with the intuitive forces of the higher hierarchies, based on holistic insight into what will be needed in any given incarnation to reach the fully human ideal. After death, we survey where the collective We has been and where it needs to go and fashion the physical archetype correspondingly.

On the question of immortality, it's simply a matter of becoming conscious of what the portals of birth and death are. Once we become conscious of how they metamorphose our consciousness from one mode to another, there is no longer any reason to irrationally believe that consciousness simply begins at birth or ends at death. We experience modes of consciousness liberated from the physical body and we know these are the same modes we experienced before birth and will experience again after death. Immortality becomes as self-evident as our continuity of existence from one day to the next.

On the question of concentration, we should imagine how all the World grooves are implicit in every thinking-perceptual state of experience. I discussed this with a crude example:

For example, if our current state is permeated by the meaning of ‘drinking a cold glass of orange juice’, that meaning could be retraced to various individual, cultural, and natural experiential processes that went into our capacity to grasp objects, to consume substances, to emotionally appreciate the taste; the harvesting and distribution of oranges and their juices, the invention of glass, and the evolution of the orange-producing capacity in trees (to name a few of infinitely many experiential factors). At the same time, implicit in the meaning is the desire or purpose for which we are drinking the juice. That will be rooted in past experiences, like our preferences, but it also points us toward the domain of future experiences – perhaps we anticipate future tasks that will prevent us from eating for a while, so we have the juice instead.

Normally we can only approach these implicit experiential factors abstractly, like we did above. Whenever we reach our spiritual activity into these holistic domains of experience, they are immediately collapsed to the lowest common denominator of point-like thoughts conditioned to fragmented sensory experience. The pure Idea of "invention of glass", for ex., continually eludes us because of our chaotic emotions and thoughts that are overlaid on top of the experience, collapsing its holistic structure. GK discusses that as follows:

The idea is the functioning of the object, not merely the function of the particular one used as a theme of concentration, but of all such objects. All spoons realize the same principle and perform the same service. This idea is not a mental picture, because such a representation would always be of a particular spoon, whether fantasized or actually seen. And the idea is not a word, such as spoon, because anyone unfamiliar with the function spoon will not learn it from the word spoon. It was just this pictureless, wordless idea that the inventor of the spoon had.

The mind container needs to release its grasp on what this pictureless, wordless Idea could be. Whatever it is, we can be sure it's nothing we are familiar with from ordinary experience and thinking. Even what is written above cannot be taken as a description of the Idea, only a loose artistic symbol pointing mostly to what the Idea is not. That is usually the safer route to take, negative descriptions, but we can also approach some positive characterizations if we are careful not to take them too rigidly. For ex. as Cleric does in Phonograph Part II:

Initially, in our consciousness, we feel in such a way that we’re submerged in sensations and corresponding meaning. When we concentrate, we leave all of this in the periphery. We relax the periphery of conscious experience – our whole body, our head space, all fidgeting and bubbling emotions – and gently concentrate on a thought image in our mind’s eye. This feels as if we’re giving up a whole world of riches for a single thought. Naturally, everything that we have relaxed in the periphery still tries to drag our attention and lead us in its grooves. Yet, as we persist with our efforts, and we resist the nudges, we gradually realize that we’re not losing anything of the riches of our ordinary consciousness. In fact, we begin to rediscover everything once again, although in a different way.

The more we learn to resist the nudges, the more we realize that we can, in a sense, think through such nudges. In our normal consciousness, we feel the need to speak out our thoughts through our inner voice word by word. When we resist going through these grooves (where the verbal thoughts are produced in sequence) we begin to realize that we can still experience the meaning of our thoughts by allowing their meaningful nudge but withholding the flow through the sequential verbal thoughts. This leads to a kind of imaginative thinking, where holistic meaning is grasped within the metamorphoses of rich images. Here ‘images’ refers to not only visual but any kind of conscious phenomena, in the same way that we can remember memory images of any kind of conscious phenomena. For example, take the verbal thought “I need to make breakfast”. This thought reflects certain intuition about the way we intend the movie flow. By resisting the sequential verbal thought, we may feel the nudge of this intuitive intent similar to the way we experience a flash of memory. When we remember something, say an event from our life, it usually fills our intuition as if we grasp the whole scene as a storyboard picture. This picture may be very dim, it may have no details, it may not even be visual in nature, but there’s nevertheless some conscious sensation that anchors the intuition about everything connected with the event in question. If we need to explicate that memory-intuition, the storyboard flash will have to be expanded into many more movie pictures and lines of dialog. Similarly, when we resist explicating our thoughts about the breakfast verbally, its nudge can be experienced as a similar storyboard flash where we see ourselves preparing it. Through some practice, we can become aware that our inner flow always consists of the metamorphoses of such soul images. In fact, at this level, our soul life is of precisely the same nature as when we dream at night. The difference is that when we’re awake these dream images are being continuously constrained by the grooves of physical life. From that perspective, verbal thinking can be grasped as the intuition of this hidden soul dreaming being additionally broken down into a stream of symbolic encodings. The important thing, however, is that on a deeper level, we always flow through such soul imagery, it’s only that through the conscious habits of our age we are normally conscious at the level of the symbolic modulations and the rest is only dimly felt. If this is understood, it should also be clear that one of the goals of concentration is to resist the usual habits that quite subconsciously break down the deeper flow through the soul groove into symbolic encodings.
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Güney27 wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:31 am It seems to me that every exercise given by GK is to be more conscious, to resist the flow that usually steer or becoming, and to experience it more concretely.

Is higher cognition nothing more that becoming conscious of what is steering our life, in a imaginal form?
For example the forces that crystallize as the nervous system or that spiritual activity (spirit) is immortal , how are such things known through higher cognition?

It is true that the intellect isn’t able to understand deeper reality.
The evidence lies in questions like “how do you know that we do not live in a matrix or simulation?”.

One thing I have a hard time to understand is, how do we become more conscious of the intuitive movements trough anchor it in a thought image in concentration, because we still live in consciousness of thought images and a vague feeling of our activity.

I would also like to call attention to a question from the Anthroposophical FB group, since it captures the essence of the issue of the mind container perspective and also shows the way we can begin inverting from that perspective.

Q: What exactly is a pralaya? Yes, the break between Earth phases. But why? For example, between Earth and the Jupiter phase, what will this pralaya be 'made' of? What happens in the pralaya? And why is a pralaya necessary?

Quite a few people offered answers to this question in the form of some informational content, based on the communications of esoteric science, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Yet that informational content will only be integrated in a useful way when we study-meditate the communications, intuitively feeling our way into resonance with certain inner states from which the communications were issued.

Steiner made this quite explicit in the following:
Hence you will see that it is utterly inadequate to associate any external deed with the second word we meet in Genesis—bara—however closely that deed might resemble what we understand today as creation. We do not thus get near to the meaning of that word. Where can we turn for help? The word implies something which lies very near the boundary where the sensible passes over directly into the super-sensible, into pure spirit. And anyone who wishes to grasp the meaning of the word bara, which is usually translated “created” (In the beginning God created ...), must in no wise associate it with any productive activity which can be seen with physical eyes.

Take a look into your own inner being! Imagine yourselves as having been asleep for a while, then waking up, and, without opening your eyes to things around you, calling up in your souls by inner activity certain images. Bring home vividly to yourselves this inner activity, this productive meditation, this cogitation, which calls forth a soul-content from the depths of the soul as if by magic. If you like you can use the word “excogitate” for this conjuring up of a soul-content out of the depths into the field of consciousness; think of this activity, which man can only perform with his mental images, but think of it now as a real, cosmic, creative activity. Instead of your own meditation, your own inward experience in thinking, try to imagine cosmic thinking-then you have the content of the second word of Genesis, bara. However spiritually you may think it, you can only liken it to the thought-life you are able to bring before yourselves in your own musing, you cannot get nearer to it than that! (GA 122, Lecture I)

We should also take a sober look at why there is so much resistance to "taking a look into our own inner being" in the process of inquiring into these things. It must be admitted that this is simply not the way we expect to get answers or gain knowledge. It is inconvenient, it takes much more time, it threatens to shed more light on our inner configuration, and so forth. Even if we go through the imaginative motions (or, rather, imagining ourselves going through the motions), we don't know exactly how it relates to "what is pralaya?" or whether it will give us any profound understanding of spiritual reality. There are a million obstacles already in place and a million more we can create for ourselves by overthinking the whole thing.

But the fact remains, "you cannot get nearer to it than that!" The first-person experience of 'excogitation' is what exactly pralaya is, why it is necessary, what happens in it, and what it is 'made of'. There is simply is no other deeper explanatory reality hiding 'behind' that experience. When we stop overthinking and go through the motions, we find our sensitivity to the inner nature of these concepts grows much more than we could have suspected before. As said, our perspective on that experience will certainly expand and be purified through inner development, brought more into crystal clear focus. But whenever we encounter questions like this about the communications and concepts of spiritual science, we should try to remember what Steiner said here as a maxim to live by as much as possible.
"They only can acquire the sacred power of self-intuition, who within themselves can interpret and understand the symbol... those only, who feel in their own spirits the same instinct, which impels the chrysalis of the horned fly to leave room in the involucrum for antennae yet to come."
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AshvinP wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 12:17 am
Güney27 wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:31 am It seems to me that every exercise given by GK is to be more conscious, to resist the flow that usually steer or becoming, and to experience it more concretely.

Is higher cognition nothing more that becoming conscious of what is steering our life, in a imaginal form?
For example the forces that crystallize as the nervous system or that spiritual activity (spirit) is immortal , how are such things known through higher cognition?

It is true that the intellect isn’t able to understand deeper reality.
The evidence lies in questions like “how do you know that we do not live in a matrix or simulation?”.

One thing I have a hard time to understand is, how do we become more conscious of the intuitive movements trough anchor it in a thought image in concentration, because we still live in consciousness of thought images and a vague feeling of our activity.

I would also like to call attention to a question from the Anthroposophical FB group, since it captures the essence of the issue of the mind container perspective and also shows the way we can begin inverting from that perspective.

Q: What exactly is a pralaya? Yes, the break between Earth phases. But why? For example, between Earth and the Jupiter phase, what will this pralaya be 'made' of? What happens in the pralaya? And why is a pralaya necessary?

Quite a few people offered answers to this question in the form of some informational content, based on the communications of esoteric science, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Yet that informational content will only be integrated in a useful way when we study-meditate the communications, intuitively feeling our way into resonance with certain inner states from which the communications were issued.

Steiner made this quite explicit in the following:
Hence you will see that it is utterly inadequate to associate any external deed with the second word we meet in Genesis—bara—however closely that deed might resemble what we understand today as creation. We do not thus get near to the meaning of that word. Where can we turn for help? The word implies something which lies very near the boundary where the sensible passes over directly into the super-sensible, into pure spirit. And anyone who wishes to grasp the meaning of the word bara, which is usually translated “created” (In the beginning God created ...), must in no wise associate it with any productive activity which can be seen with physical eyes.

Take a look into your own inner being! Imagine yourselves as having been asleep for a while, then waking up, and, without opening your eyes to things around you, calling up in your souls by inner activity certain images. Bring home vividly to yourselves this inner activity, this productive meditation, this cogitation, which calls forth a soul-content from the depths of the soul as if by magic. If you like you can use the word “excogitate” for this conjuring up of a soul-content out of the depths into the field of consciousness; think of this activity, which man can only perform with his mental images, but think of it now as a real, cosmic, creative activity. Instead of your own meditation, your own inward experience in thinking, try to imagine cosmic thinking-then you have the content of the second word of Genesis, bara. However spiritually you may think it, you can only liken it to the thought-life you are able to bring before yourselves in your own musing, you cannot get nearer to it than that! (GA 122, Lecture I)

We should also take a sober look at why there is so much resistance to "taking a look into our own inner being" in the process of inquiring into these things. It must be admitted that this is simply not the way we expect to get answers or gain knowledge. It is inconvenient, it takes much more time, it threatens to shed more light on our inner configuration, and so forth. Even if we go through the imaginative motions (or, rather, imagining ourselves going through the motions), we don't know exactly how it relates to "what is pralaya?" or whether it will give us any profound understanding of spiritual reality. There are a million obstacles already in place and a million more we can create for ourselves by overthinking the whole thing.

But the fact remains, "you cannot get nearer to it than that!" The first-person experience of 'excogitation' is what exactly pralaya is, why it is necessary, what happens in it, and what it is 'made of'. There is simply is no other deeper explanatory reality hiding 'behind' that experience. When we stop overthinking and go through the motions, we find our sensitivity to the inner nature of these concepts grows much more than we could have suspected before. As said, our perspective on that experience will certainly expand and be purified through inner development, brought more into crystal clear focus. But whenever we encounter questions like this about the communications and concepts of spiritual science, we should try to remember what Steiner said here as a maxim to live by as much as possible.
Thank you for your helpful responses Ashvin!

I came across a little essay about steiners HtKHW and found profound insight in the written.
I’m grateful that I have to opportunity to came across something like this:

https://soundingbowls.com/philosophical ... xperience/
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That was a really helpful article, Guney, thanks.

I had recently seen a webinar by Mystech with Tobias Kaye, which is available here - https://mystech.org/sounds-that-open-the-heart/
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Did anyone came across such an exercise ?

https://www.headless.org/experiments/pointing.htm

I tried it out and had very interesting results.
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