The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:05 pm
News flash from Essentia ... Now apparently we're like 'nuclei' of Mind in The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
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The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
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Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:29 pm
It's an interesting interpretation of reality but still has a big explanatory gap. A feature of any evolutionary-driven network is a variety of competing structures/relations. Without such variety the evolutionary selection is not possible. We do see this variety on the higher organizational levels. Yet, on the lowest levels we observe amazing consistency and lack of variety - all phenomena on the lowest level follow some very specific and exact patterns and relations (that can be approximated with high quantitative accuracy by equations of the modern physics). There is no evolutional adaptation and variety observed on that lowest level of hierarchy. How can this be explained based on the evolutionary network theory?
Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:42 pm
Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:05 pm News flash from Essentia ... Now apparently we're like 'nuclei' of Mind in The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
It's funny how you can spot a flawed and nihilistic ontology simply by the words used. In this case, infinite "independent nuclei". Suffice to say, Cleric has already shown the fundamental flaws in this purely abstract ontology with his Beyond Flat Mal essay. Here we need to go Beyond Infinitely Fragmented Nuclei aka materialist reductionism.
Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:59 pm
I haven't yet read the article, but my answer to this is that the higher organism that we will unite into may not have formed yet. Most of the various bacteria and microbae making up the human body had to exist before the first human emerged. Keeping with that analogy, we could be at a stage of this process when there is no human yet, but the components are already forming.Eugene I wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:29 pm It's an interesting interpretation of reality but still has a big explanatory gap. A feature of any evolutionary-driven network is a variety of competing structures/relations. Without such variety the evolutionary selection is not possible. We do see this variety on the higher organizational levels. Yet, on the lowest levels we observe amazing consistency and lack of variety - all phenomena on the lowest level follow some very specific and exact patterns and relations (that can be approximated with high quantitative accuracy by equations of the modern physics). There is no evolutional adaptation and variety observed on that lowest level of hierarchy. How can this be explained based on the evolutionary network theory?
Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:42 pm
Thanks, Dana - very interesting article!News flash from Essentia ... Now apparently we're like 'nuclei' of Mind in The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:55 pm
Somehow even an 'alter' seemed preferableAshvinP wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:42 pmSoul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:05 pm News flash from Essentia ... Now apparently we're like 'nuclei' of Mind in The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
It's funny how you can spot a flawed and nihilistic ontology simply by the words used. In this case, infinite "independent nuclei". Suffice to say, Cleric has already shown the fundamental flaws in this purely abstract ontology with his Beyond Flat Mal essay. Here we need to go Beyond Infinitely Fragmented Nuclei aka materialist reductionism.
Nevertheless, the One is not other than the Many, nor the Many other than the One, expressing a seeming infinitude of unique inter-being expressions of the Mind's 'I's/eyes
Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:19 pm
Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:55 pmSomehow even an 'alter' seemed preferableAshvinP wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:42 pmSoul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:05 pm News flash from Essentia ... Now apparently we're like 'nuclei' of Mind in The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
It's funny how you can spot a flawed and nihilistic ontology simply by the words used. In this case, infinite "independent nuclei". Suffice to say, Cleric has already shown the fundamental flaws in this purely abstract ontology with his Beyond Flat Mal essay. Here we need to go Beyond Infinitely Fragmented Nuclei aka materialist reductionism.
Yes an 'alter' is infinitely more preferable
Since the One is not other than the Many, there is only One essential "I" which we all share. I really don't see how to make sense of the polarity in any other way, let alone avoid the nihilism of infinite "I"s who will either merge into undifferentiated, selfless "consciousness" or remain forever tied to some isolated fragment of the World Content.
Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:24 pm
Well, yes, but that's not my point. Even in the world of bacteria there is a huge variety of forms evolutionary competing with each other. But on the level of most basic physical phenomena there is no variety - all of them follow only a single set of mathematical laws. It seem s that there is no evolutionary mechanism on the micro-physical level (unless we assume the multiverse interpretation)Hedge90 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:59 pm I haven't yet read the article, but my answer to this is that the higher organism that we will unite into may not have formed yet. Most of the various bacteria and microbae making up the human body had to exist before the first human emerged. Keeping with that analogy, we could be at a stage of this process when there is no human yet, but the components are already forming.
Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:30 pm
I'd be glad to be a cog in a good cause, so long as the good cause respects its cogs.
Re: The hierarchical structure of the universal mind
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:50 pm
If a cog then an aware one that plays its integral role in ideation's metamorphic process, so 'cog'nize accordinglyBen Iscatus wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:30 pm I'd be glad to be a cog in a good cause, so long as the good cause respects its cogs.