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Do you think MAL feels?

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:58 pm
by Hedge90
Now, obviously, it does in the sense that we are its alters. But we have a neural system that we use to perceive sensory information, and these information manifest as feelings. Do you think MAL has feelings at its own level of consciousness? Or it doesn't, since there is nothing to "cause" those feelings?

Re: Do you think MAL feels?

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:23 am
by AshvinP
Hedge90 wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:58 pm Now, obviously, it does in the sense that we are its alters. But we have a neural system that we use to perceive sensory information, and these information manifest as feelings. Do you think MAL has feelings at its own level of consciousness? Or it doesn't, since there is nothing to "cause" those feelings?
Hedge,

Consider this - if I were to respond to your question and say, "yes MAL has feelings because human neural network is a microcosmic image of its macrocosmic essence", or something like that, how would that enrich your understanding? Would you actually gain anything from that answer? I suspect you would then be asking many more questions to clarify what all of those terms mean and how they relate to each other. Perhaps, then, it's better to start with this question - "what must I do to start on the path where I can eventually answer the question of whether 'MAL has feelings' myself?" We have already discussed my answer to that question in terms of reading Steiner and Barfield. Or, you could try my essays on Metamorphoses of the Spirit, posted on this forum, which tried to summarize many of their main phenomenological points, hopefully in a somewhat clear and cogent way. Regardless of which first step you take in that direction, those steps must be taken. There is no satisfying way to circumvent them and answer all the riddles of the Cosmos.

Re: Do you think MAL feels?

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:36 pm
by tjssailor
The alter feels so M@L feels.

Re: Do you think MAL feels?

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:20 pm
by SanteriSatama
tjssailor wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:36 pm The alter feels so M@L feels.
Is the feel located only in the alter, or is alter also felt by M@L?

Re: Do you think MAL feels?

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:56 pm
by tjssailor
M@L is the alter.

Re: Do you think MAL feels?

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:29 pm
by SanteriSatama
tjssailor wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:56 pm M@L is the alter.
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Re: Do you think MAL feels?

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:55 pm
by Lou Gold
SanteriSatama wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:29 pm
tjssailor wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:56 pm M@L is the alter.
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Re: Do you think MAL feels?

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:09 pm
by Soul_of_Shu
W! ... T!! ... F!!! (pun intended) ... makes us mini-M@Lters?