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Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 7:11 pm
by AshvinP
It is no shocking revelation to anyone paying attention that humanity has become alienated from Nature and the Cosmos to the greatest possible extent in modern times. That is because the thoughts through which we perceive and think about the World are not felt to be a concrete part of that same World, but rather some parallel commentary on its happenings. Our mental pictures and concepts are experienced as point-like entities confined to the boundaries of our skull. They are generally assumed to be neural firings in our brain that mysteriously become conscious of themselves. In fact, this correspondence is so tight that ‘we’, as conscious entities, are normally felt to be located somewhere amongst the upper portion of our head. When we refer to our chest, our feet, or to the ground, we say they are ‘below us’. Indeed, there is some truth to this materialistic understanding because our normal cognitive life is reflected through the neurosensory system (not caused by it), which is dominated by the visual and audial senses. Our thoughts are locked ‘in-phase’ with these sequential neural firings and that’s how we initially become conscious of ourselves as creative agencies who can participate in shaping the experiential flow.

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A key reason why we feel mental pictures and concepts to be so insubstantial and ‘subjective’ in relation to the ‘objective world’ is because it is only within the mental space that experiences are ordered in a linear temporal chain of events; a sequence of memory pictures extending backward or predictive pictures extending forward. At any given time, we feel only a ‘thin frame’ of this temporal chain is immanently present for our inner experience. Everything else of thought-nature feels to exist in quickly receding memory intuition, nebulous anticipatory intuition (of future states), or as intellectual speculation and fantasy. On the other hand, in the sensory domain, as we briefly discussed in Part III (for example, the clock illustration), temporally extended spiritual activity is merged and ordered together in a space-like way. That gives it the characteristic quality of stability and concreteness relative to our linearly sequential mental life. It is from this dualized experience that modern thinking has rooted countless theories about the ‘nature of reality’ and the potentialities of cognition (e.g. Kant’s ‘Critique of Pure Reason’).

The sensory-spatial domain feels concrete but, at the same time, opaque; it lacks the quality of intuitive insight that our thoughts carry. The latter was gained from the rendering of thought linear and insubstantial, i.e. that rendering was the price to pay for reaching the grounds of creative freedom. When our thoughts lack living substantiality, they also cannot compel us to act one way or another. It is as if a living thought-organism has been calcified into mineralized units that are lifeless, therefore not compulsive, and more manageable for the spirit to grasp and manipulate. The spirit begins to feel active in the process of bringing forth and rearranging these mineralized thoughts. All other perceptions are then confronted by it as something foreign and mysterious, while thoughts are felt to be intimate and immediately understood. This fact points to the domain of experience where we already have inner knowledge of the cause for the transforming perceptual flow because our activity is that cause.

Consider how, when we think, our inner voice perceptions are immediately united with meaning. Unlike all other perceptions, such as sensations and feelings, we don’t need to reflect on the sound of our inner voice perceptions to discern their meaning. If we had to do that, it would be an endless recursion, since each act of reflection would generate a new stream of inner voice sounds that would need to be reflected upon, and so on. Instead, the inner voice perceptions are immediately united with their meaning, and we use them to reflect on all other perceptions. It is through the lens of thought that all other experiences are contextualized and made sensible. Put another way, the organic relations between thoughts (like cause-effect, spatial-temporal, quantity-quality, etc.) are intuitively transparent to us, unlike emotional or sensory relations. It is due to this transparency that Aristotle could develop his ten categories of human apprehension which Kant later adopted as well.

Imagine the last time you listened to someone else telling an unfamiliar story. That experience would have met you as visual or audial sensations that you reflected on to follow their meaning. You would not have had a keen intuitive sense of the overarching 'plot' of the story, why particular images and words were chosen to illustrate the story, or where the story was headed. All of these met you as mysterious elements that will only be made a comprehensive whole at some later time. That is different in the case of when we ourselves tell a story. Then we live directly in the meaningful intuitive 'shape' of the story. This shape has a unique fingerprint - we can tell our intuition for the story of getting in a car accident apart from the story of going to the circus. The particular images and words that illustrate the story are condensed from our own activity and therefore we live in clear intuition, at every stage of its development, of what the story is about, where it is headed, and how it will conclude.

Nevertheless, our intuitively transparent thoughts remain insubstantial as long as they are tightly coupled with the sequential neural firings. As we have seen in the previous part, however, it is possible for thinking to release the crutch of its neurosensory system, through the retracing effort, and swim freely within imaginative currents of meaning. These meaningful currents reflect objective relations just as our normal thoughts about the World. Our inner thought-memory stream then becomes more space-like, except now that space-like experience is also united with the intuitive insight we normally experience in the act of stimulating and relating thoughts. We can eventually experience a panoramic imagistic tableau of memory experience, which shares the concreteness and immediacy of normal spatial experience. Now we have united the concrete spatial ordering of sensory experience with the intuitive insight of the mental space. We should appreciate how this is a degree of freedom for our spiritual activity that is entirely unsuspected for most.

Just as we try to make sense of the sensory space through the concepts expressed by the inner voice, we make sense of the conceptual space through imaginative experiences (which likewise shed more light on sensory experience in so far as the latter is modulated by our conceptual life). Notice how it makes just as little sense to question the validity of such imaginative experiences as it does to question the validity of our own inner voice that expresses our thoughts, for example when telling a story. We can question the intellectual interpretations added to the story-telling experience, i.e. the relation of the experience to other facts of experience, but not the experience itself. In fact, the phenomenon of doubt arises first within the conceptual space because our activity splits up the holistic thought-organism into manageable fragments and is given freedom over what portion of experience it pays attention to and how it interpretively relates the thought-fragments together. These fragments precipitate from the imaginative space like pairs of virtual particles and antiparticles.

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That is why the intellect perceives its environment as weaved of polar relations and can always assert a truth claim and its opposite, hypothesis and null hypothesis, with equal conviction. It perceives light and darkness, hot and cold, high and low, north and south, sweet and bitter, canine and feline, mental and material, inner and outer, heaven and hell, faith and works, grace and karma, etc., ad infinitum. These polar relations of content certainly speak to deeper aspects within the experiential flow of our soul space, such as the soul polarity between sympathy and antipathy, or the spiritual polarity between consciousness and unconsciousness, but the intellect rarely becomes aware of how its infinitely polarized perceptual-conceptual content is a symbolic testimony to that deeper flow. Instead, our thinking habitually chooses to identify with one part of the virtual pair (like ‘matter’) and then tries to derive the other part (like ‘mind’) from the former. It is from such habits that the intellect is left in constant doubts about the nature of its experiential flow and its own relationship to that flow.

An animal does not experience such doubts because the holistic thought-organism is instinctively pushed through its being. In fact, even our relatively recent ancestors in ancient India, China, Persia, or Egypt did not and could not experience such doubts regarding most things we scratch our heads over today. There would have been no possibility of people back then questioning the existence of an immortal soul that clothes itself in the transient body, for example, because they imaginatively experienced the soul’s existence in a concrete way and distinctly from the body. Neither could the reality of the soul’s multiple incarnations be questioned. It is only with the proto-development of intellectual thinking in ancient Greece that we see the glimmerings of such questions emerge in philosophical discourse, yet even then we were still descending into mineralized thinking with a parachute. It took another few thousand years of expanding cognitive degrees of freedom for these nascent doubts to become the rabid spiritual skepticism we find today. In that sense, materialism and atheism are the best testimonies to the fact that the Spirit has united itself with the physical world in our thinking.

That degree of freedom for doubt won through the conceptual space is not lost in our further imaginative development, but it is redeemed. Now the relations of the thought-organism are kept intact and therefore we have a more informed choice of whether to remain mired in doubt, forming rigid conclusions from fleeting frames of experience, or to gradually regain our inner certainty by remaining faithful to the explorative journey itself. The fruits of the imaginative state can be compared to learning about a tumor within the depths of the organism and then having the choice to address it or let it grow unchecked, whereas the conceptual state leaves us mostly ignorant of the tumor’s presence – in the latter case, there isn’t even the possibility of a choice. At their core, all these higher experiences provide the opportunity for ever-expanding spiritual freedom and, therefore, genuine moral agency.

The panoramic space-like imaginative experience is often reported during near-death encounters in which the subject was clinically ‘dead’ for some time before returning to lucid consciousness. They speak of a ‘life review’ where all life memories are present simultaneously, ‘flashing before the eyes’, and, moreover, they can be experienced with particular emphasis on how they affected others (we will return to the significance of this fact later). That is because the soul-spirit has loosened from the rigid formatting of the neurosensory system and begins to reflect its existence within the imaginative space. Yet since such experiences are, by definition, not cognitively trained for, their true significance can only be dimly intuited and later interpreted within the normal conceptual space, with all its unconscious psychic coloring. It is for this reason that such reports can remain perfectly consistent with a materialistic outlook, and are often treated as such, since the underlying reasons for why such a phenomenon occurs are not properly understood within their deeper spiritual context.

Spiritual retracing, on the other hand, provides the basis for systematically approaching such states and understanding them within their own native element, where the psychic coloring is also rendered transparent. What we have been discussing so far already gives us a better understanding of these higher experiences than we would ever get from accidentally drowning, or what have you, without any such conceptual preparation. The Earthly human being is already a ‘cross-section’ of all the higher spaces and therefore, in our conceptual activity, we are extracting meaningful fragments from the higher states, as discussed throughout the previous essays. In truth, the states after death (and during sleep) are already superimposed on our waking experience during incarnate existence and are simply aliased from perception. The more we imbue our conceptual activity with imaginative life, the more we develop resonance with the subtle and more holistic spiritual gestures of the sleep and after-death states.

Through such resonance, the effects of our ideas and emotions are not felt as constricted to the boundaries of our skin any more than an enraged blow to another person’s face. Because the ideas and emotions that lead to such a blow are clothed in the conceptual-sensory element, we receive visible feedback on some of their effects. As discussed in the previous part, however, there are many residual effects of that inner activity which are not clothed in the sensory element and therefore are aliased from perception. If we think about the deed enough, it becomes evident that punching another person could precipitate soul entanglements that span many years or even generations. Perhaps it will cause the other person physical and psychological trauma that influences their relationships for a long time, or perhaps their family members will also be affected such that hostility arises between that family and ours. We could also imagine this hostile act profoundly influencing a young impressionable child who happened to witness it. These effects could likewise get entangled in an endless subconscious chain of Nth-order effects. All of these potential threads of destiny can only remain vague and nebulous at the conceptual level.

When we start delaminating and retracing with our spirit into the imaginative space, on the other hand, we begin developing intuitive sensitivity for the lawfulness within these arcs of time. We can start to sense how previous activity has seeded the conditions for our present state of being and how the latter, in turn, seeds the potential for new paths of experience. Imagine you are walking between rooms of your home but with each new room, it is as if you wake up from a dream and the previous room you walked through is but a hazy feeling that something happened. You move from the bedroom to the bathroom but, by the time you get in the shower, you barely remember how or why you are there. Such a dreamy and disoriented experience of spatial-sensory existence is rare, but it is practically the norm when it comes to inner temporal rhythms. We normally have a dim and fragmented memory intuition for how streams of past inner activity – of thinking, feeling, and willing - are rhythmically feeding back into our current state of being, and anticipation for how present activity feeds forward.

These temporal streams are not only personal to us, but also involve the activity of other individuals and collectives, such as families, communities, and nations. Although we have developed sensitivity for the spatial consequences of our bodily will activity, we have almost none for the temporal consequences of our inner activity. For example, in a previous essay, I attempted to convey a phenomenology of truthfulness, in which the “truth” is understood as the harmonious alignment of concentric layers of experience – intents, thoughts, feelings, sensations. When we intentionally misalign our inner layers of thinking, feeling, and memory/sensation, i.e. what we know as “lying”, how does this feedback into the experiential flow of our lives, the lives of others, and, at a larger scale, the historical flow of the World? Where do our lies go, so to speak, and from whence do they return into the experiential landscape? Such questions are hardly even asked in our time due to the aliasing effect mentioned above. As a simple image for this process, let’s consider the water cycle.

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The Sun symbolizes the entirely inner domain of existence from whence the manifest spectrum condenses; the ‘forces’ mediating the entire cycle through which inner activity becomes outer manifestation and engagement with these manifestations feeds back to the flow of inner activity. These invisible forces precipitate into our inner experience and crystallize as thoughts, feelings, sensory impressions, and deeds before percolating in the subconscious as memories. Then we conduct our spiritual activity based on the lawfulness of this subconscious memory intuition and radiate inner impulses back to the Sun sphere, yet in this ‘evaporation’ process the impulses we send back become more and more ‘subtle’ until we lose sight of them, which is to say our thinking consciousness can no longer trace their relations. For that reason, we assume they no longer have any influence in our stream of development anymore. Again, it isn’t only our personal activity at work here but the collective activity of many beings.

Our normal intuition is that we are self-enclosed bubbles of consciousness confronting an ‘external’ world that runs its course mostly independently of our activity. Yet we know that our genetic material is woven from a line of ancestors that becomes increasingly wider in scope, more universal, the further we trace them back. Likewise, the substances that comprise our body are drawn daily from the mineral, plant, and animal kingdoms. The air we inhale one moment was outside of us the moment before. Our psychic life is woven from memories of interactions with the outer world and its beings. On the path of retracing, we find these outer facts are genuine reflections of inner realities that also go in the other direction – our inner life is continually finding its way into outer forms and events. Our inner experiential space is felt to be superimposed with the experiential spaces of many other beings, not bounded by our skin and bones. This doesn’t mean we dissolve into a homogenous soup, because we can still discern what our activity uniquely contributes within this space, except the boundaries are not so neatly and sharply defined as they usually are.

So, returning to the metaphor, when the impulses we sent to the Sun sphere precipitate back into the Earthly stream of development, we often meet them with various shades of ignorance, pride, perplexity, fear, and resentment. We are graced with insight, skills, and good fortune, and we often attribute these to our individual efforts. On the flip side, we are struck by accidents, illnesses, traumas, economic disasters, wars, and similar events, and we search for all manner of external parties to blame. The situation is crudely comparable to a woman who goes through the trials of pregnancy without any consciousness that her sufferings were either the result of her previous intent to have a child or would in fact lead to the realization of that intent. The whole temporal arc that would connect the beginning with the end, and make sense of the sacrifices involved, is conspicuously missing. That is not to say all suffering is intended, but simply that the inner relations which lead to the suffering and the inner potential which could result from the suffering are generally obscured from view. An untold degree of unnecessary suffering is added on top of any intended resistance in our time simply due to this blind spot of consciousness.

An excess of pride, on the one hand, and projective blame and resentment, on the other, occurs in modern society because our sensory cognition loses sight of the spiritual water cycle and feels forced to locate the reasons for all sensory events within the spatial domain, in which every being appears to be self-sufficient bubble of inner experience, an island-unto-himself. It is comparable to a person who has a magnetic compass and tries to locate the reasons for the needle’s movement only within the mechanical bounds of the compass, rather than broadening out their search to the whole Earth’s magnetic field, i.e. the invisible influences which primarily make sense of the needle’s movements. Similarly, the movements of individual and collective destinies can only be made sense of in relation to the inner Cosmos as a whole and its manifold influences. Most of our passionate intellectual convictions result from a combination of ignorance and a craving to have immediate answers as to the reasons for our experience. When we mitigate that ignorance by retracing into the temporal arcs, we also find it easier to resist the craving for quick and convenient answers. Instead, we become enthusiastic to gradually unveil those reasons at an intuitive level.

We can represent these overlapping temporal arcs of activity as follows:

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The smallest arcs represent the temporal rhythms that are most ‘in-phase’ in our normal experience, where intentional activity and the perceptual result of that activity follow in close synchronization. When we intend to think about politics, for example, a stream of inner voice perceptions (thoughts) flows immediately as a testimony of that intention. The meaning of the thoughts will closely reflect our political intuition, and if some thoughts are out of place within that intuitive context, we get immediate feedback that our activity needs some adjustment. Perhaps we notice a glaring gap in the logic of our political thinking and therefore get feedback that we need to do more research on the history of nations. These are the sorts of rhythms that are most evident to us, so much so that we normally don’t pay any attention to them. We just take it for granted that when we intend to think, a stream of thoughts issues forth in close synchronization.

On the other hand, if we have a job interview and lie about our resume, it’s not so transparent how such an intent will feedback on our experience. It may at first give us an advantage for the position we are seeking, and then only months or years later it feeds back on us from an unexpected direction. Perhaps we are led into a path of experience with our boss and colleagues where more and more lies are needed to support the initial lie, and we end up entangled in an unstable web of lies that eventually costs us not only our job, but our family, friends, and freedom. Such temporal rhythms are somewhat ‘out-of-phase’ and, therefore, are more easily ignored as we conduct our spiritual activity. This domain of the spiritual ‘water cycle’ remains in the blind spot for some people today, hence lying is not seen as a big deal and is even welcomed in some spheres of life.

There are temporal arcs that are even more out-of-phase, where our creative and moral (or immoral) thoughts, feelings, and deeds feed back into the very psychic and bodily support matrix for our activity, including cultural institutions and the natural kingdoms. It is clear how a person can ruin their physical health by choosing to indulge the ‘deadly sins’, yet what is not so clear is how the body attains its initial state of health to begin with, such that it can be ruined later. Because we are practically guaranteed in the modern age to lose sight of these influences where activity and perception are so out-of-phase, we have ended up with mechanistic theories about the occurrences and evolution of the natural world. There is simply no consciousness of how spiritual activity has precipitated and flowed through the complex channels of Earthly life, ‘evaporated’ into supersensible domains, and precipitated back as natural processes and events.

Imagine you are following the meaning of a political speech – everything said is coherent and logical, perhaps even noble and upright, yet you still wonder about the inner being standing behind the words. Is the soul speaking with inner conviction, does it stand behind these words with its whole mind and heart? That is also the situation with respect to the ‘words’ of the broader perceptual flow we perceive with intellectual thinking. We can’t seem to ever be quite sure about the inner being that animates this flow – what are the convictions driving its metamorphoses? All we know is that we ‘hear’ certain words when we study the transformations of minerals, plants, animals, and humans, and their internal logic seems coherent to us. Everything seems to work together relatively harmoniously (at least within the lower kingdoms) toward some evolutionary aims, but these aims are entirely veiled to our cognitive perception (so they are reduced to the lowest common denominator of ‘survival of the fittest’).

To retrace the Cosmic Speech that adapted us to sensory existence and provided the support for our physical, intellectual, artistic, and ethical activity, our spirit enters into the overlapping temporal arcs of inner relations. We begin from the most in-phase domain – our mental life - and expand from the inside outwards. For example, we can become more intuitively sensitive to a wider aperture of our inner states of being, such that we anticipate what we would be thinking and feeling if we allowed certain impulses to take hold and influence our activity. We begin experiencing the ‘wavefunction’ of thought-potential, which ‘surfs’ through holistic images, before it collapses into a linear sequence of verbal encodings and corresponding feelings and deeds. Now we have a larger dataset by which to discern the patterned flow of inner life in relation to our activity (or passivity), i.e. we gain more sensitivity for the living IFS structure (see Part II). If this inner life was previously a dark room that we were stumbling through, it is now as if certain parts of the room take on an increasingly luminous glow, making them especially noticeable throughout our daily experiences.

At a broader level, we can develop sensitivity for how certain world conceptions were adopted at various phases of life to explore diverse mental states that were necessary for specific individual and cultural tasks, and which develop specific soul forces. We may also become sensitive to how our childhood experiences planted the seeds of certain qualities, capacities, relationships, or opportunities that grew and blossomed in adult life. These isolated experiences in time may seem unrelated to one another from the perspective of outer life, but they find their deeper connecting substructure in the characteristic rhythms of the inner life, like protruding islands united by an underwater archipelago. Now we sense there was a purpose animating these temporal arcs and can freely seek to harmonize our activity with the overarching aims. It is ‘free’ because we are acting only out of deep insight into and unconditional love for the ideal aim rather than any external compulsion of natural drives, cultural authorities, or hypothesized metaphysical entities.

As we ascend to the broader arcs, we are dealing with increasingly collective forms of activity that contextualize the narrower arcs and feedback on our experience. Our whole life destiny is contextualized by the epoch of civilization in which we were born, for example, and this epoch associates with its own unique tasks for individuals, groups, nations, and civilizations. There are no rigid boundaries between these contextual ‘arcs’ and they are constantly influencing one another in complex ways. When we notice the patterns within individual arcs, we also begin to notice self-similar patterns at the collective scales. In that way, we find that our current state of being can only be what it is by virtue of a spiritual symphony conducted through the most varied constellations of beings and their activity across many scales. It is an ‘interference’ of many overlapping ‘time-waves’ of intentional activity (human or otherwise), which are attracting our experiential stream of becoming across multiple scales.


We previously touched upon how Time experience becomes something quite different within the imaginative space, such that the ‘current moment’ at higher levels of integration can encompass conceptual states over a long duration. We can utilize a simple analogy here. Consider how, when we move our arm to reach for some object, a whole complex cascade of muscular processes unfolds (depicted in the video above). Now imagine one of these muscle cells is a conscious observer of our intent to move the arm. From its perspective, that intent is experienced as a drawn out evolutionary process in its musculature universe. What takes a few seconds from our perspective and is a simple perceptual flow of arm extension and retraction, unfolds over many muscular epochs from its perspective and involves a complex perceptual flow of countless components. Our momentary intent to move the arm provides the overarching context in which many cellular states of being unfold.

It is an analogous relation between the conceptual-sensory states we experience unfolding over long periods and the momentary imaginative or higher intents that structure the temporal arcs along which the former unfold. We could therefore say that there is only a nested configuration of ‘now’ perspectives that experience ‘spiritual relativity’, i.e. the unfolding of ‘now’ states for any given perspective is determined by its relation to all other intentional perspectives that contextualize its experience. When the transformation of our human ‘now’ state feels to unfold at a snail’s pace, we call that the ‘sensory world’ which provides the greatest resistance to our intents. On the other hand, when it feels to transform the most quickly, we call that the ‘mental world’ or ‘imaginative world’ where our intents meet the least resistance. In this way, we arrive at the LIFO principle discussed in Part I from an experiential angle – the domain of our being that was ‘last in’ is the ‘first out’ because our intentional activity meets the least resistance in its transformation.

The sensory landscape where we sometimes seem to receive quick feedback for our activity is, in fact, the most out-of-phase domain of experience. There, we are interacting with the feedback of long past activity; intents already accomplished in bygone ages that have receded into collective memory. That is what we know as ‘physicality’ or, more esoterically, as ‘karmic destiny’. We normally feel like we are freely in control of our thoughts, feelings, and actions during sensory life, but is that actually the case? One way to approach this question is to think about how often things happen to us independently of our agency, such as the actions of other beings, the weather, illnesses, etc., or likewise how often we simply stumble into various experiences in a dreamlike way. For example, we do many things on autopilot, like brushing our teeth, taking a shower, drinking coffee, etc. Even going from home to work can become so habitual that we end up at work and awaken saying, "oh great, I'm at work now." Similarly, we often get carried away on impulsive trains of thoughts and feelings and have little idea how we ended up immersed in them.

It is just like awakening in a dream and not knowing how we ended up in the dreamscape. Our spiritual agency simply isn't present and active in most of our daily experiences. These cannot be called ‘free’ experiences but rather must be considered experiences that stem from the spirit flowing through etched channels of its mental, psychic, and physiological spaces. Did we consciously choose our birthplace, our family, our native language (in which we think), our temperament (which also influences our career choice and social relationships), and so forth? Clearly not. It is only in our mental space, in the feedback of thoughts, where our present activity finds its lucid reflection. That is why spiritual retracing into the imaginative space begins with the observation of thinking, where the time arc of activity and perceptual feedback is almost completely in-phase and therefore the most intuitively transparent. The spirit can then leverage this point of intersection to render the broader temporal arcs more transparent as well. All of that collective past activity serves as the ‘womb’ for our present activity. It is where the latter is conceived and can orient itself, develop spiritual organs of perception, and be born again into the higher spaces where, for the very first time, it becomes free.

The next part will conclude the principled investigation of the imaginative state and begin exploring how we can further our retracing efforts by observing our thinking, through the technique of concentration, in an even more intimate way than we have been doing so far. By intensely focusing our concepts as testimonies to the process which birthed them, as we have been doing so far, we have already on a gradient of free activity. The free act of concentration, however, takes us much further. We can never stumble into the act of concentration, awaken and say, 'oh great, it appears I am concentrating now!' The spirit must be deliberate, present, and active the whole way - if it is truly concentrated, it will always know exactly how it reached its current state. In other words, it can always retrace the contextual relations that are funneling its experience. This act has been referred to as 'creation ex nihilo'. It is an act of the spirit that cannot be traced back to any causal chain, rather emanating from the intuitive depths of existence. It is an act independent of past karmic factors which condition the spirit’s experience; independent of all the channels etched through the instinctive spaces. Nevertheless, the experience of the activity is still constrained and formatted by those contextual arcs and, by concentrating the ray of its activity, the spirit grows more and more sensitive to their inner dimensions.

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 11:40 am
by Federica
Thanks for another brilliant and rich installment, Ashvin.
I will add a few personal comments. These are essentially about the choices of narrative flow, not about substance. The one slightly more substantial question I have is about the choice to present a conceptualization of imaginative cognition before its phenomenology, from the standpoint of the end of Part III, which to my sense was prefiguring a more phenomenological suite. In this sense I can report that, reading the second part of the essay, I have regularly wondered if the metaphor of water cycle, the concept of temporal arcs, the example of NDEs, etc., wouldn’t have been more powerful as ‘post-op’ tools to help transliterate a previous imaginative experiment into concepts.

For example, I believe a conceptualization such as this one is practically impossible to make sense of, other than in a ‘definitional’, entirely abstract way, without any previous phenomenological effort towards the flexible experience of ‘now’. I may be wrong, but I don’t think the arrival point as you designate it is actually traceable in an experiential way before some phenomenological attempt is made:
We could therefore say that there is only a nested configuration of ‘now’ perspectives that experience ‘spiritual relativity’, i.e. the unfolding of ‘now’ states for any given perspective is determined by its relation to all other intentional perspectives that contextualize its experience. When the transformation of our human ‘now’ state feels to unfold at a snail’s pace, we call that the ‘sensory world’ which provides the greatest resistance to our intents. On the other hand, when it feels to transform the most quickly, we call that the ‘mental world’ or ‘imaginative world’ where our intents meet the least resistance. In this way, we arrive at the LIFO principle discussed in Part I from an experiential angle – the domain of our being that was ‘last in’ is the ‘first out’ because our intentional activity meets the least resistance in its transformation.
Therefore, from the essay's last two paragraphs I get the impression that the delineated conclusion could be felt somewhat premature. Again, I am simply giving my subjective impression here.

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When our thoughts lack living substantiality, they also cannot compel us to act one way or another.
I would deem this a key juncture that can easily get unnoticed. Great to find it at this exact point. Since I believe it's immediatly easy to relate to, I would have liked to read some more about it (unless it's coming in a future part, as I can imagine)

Consider how, when we think, our inner voice perceptions are immediately united with meaning. Unlike all other perceptions, such as sensations and feelings, we don’t need to reflect on the sound of our inner voice perceptions to discern their meaning. If we had to do that, it would be an endless recursion, since each act of reflection would generate a new stream of inner voice sounds that would need to be reflected upon, and so on. Instead, the inner voice perceptions are immediately united with their meaning, and we use them to reflect on all other perceptions.

Here I wonder if it’s clearest to put it in this way in this context: comparing thoughts on one side with feelings and sensations on the other. I believe that your point would have been brought home more straightforwardly by highlighting the superordinate position of thinking as the sense maker of feeling and sensations.
Because, the recursion which you say does not happen, actually does commonly happen, in variable proportion, depending primarily on the intensity of will invested in the activity of thinking. In practice, the perceptions of inner voice are only immediately united with their meaning to the extent that will is driving and maintaining the process. For example, when one has racing thoughts before falling asleep, the thinking voice is sort of partially dissociated, and each more or less parallel stream of thoughts doesn’t immediately bear full meaning. Similarly, when one reads a paragraph of text while being dragged somewhere completely else by overpowering thoughts, the meaning of the text is on the borderline between condensing and disintegrating, and one needs to give it a round of recursion.
Therefore, since you are talking to the average thinking person, your characterization seems to me at risk of landing a little bit abstractly. It describes a purified quality of thinking, but the reality of thinking is usually more mixed up. For this reason, it seems to me that you could have brought your point home by pointing to the direct connection of thinking with will and freedom, which kind of closes the circle you opened slghtly above: “that rendering was the price to pay for reaching the grounds of creative freedom”. In other words, the creative freedom, even with the price it’s been paid for it, is still not given, but needs to be owned 'twice'. Once unconsciously, merely by being incarnated in the times of the consciousness soul (for which we have paid the price that you mention) and once consciously, by becoming that free being of will who alone can grow thinking out of its recursive, or semi-dissociated form. In this sense, it seems to me that the following is actually not the case in the normal life of the average modern thinking person:
Put another way, the organic relations between thoughts (like cause-effect, spatial-temporal, quantity-quality, etc.) are intuitively transparent to us.

Just as we try to make sense of the sensory space through the concepts expressed by the inner voice, we make sense of the conceptual space through imaginative experiences (which likewise shed more light on sensory experience in so far as the latter is modulated by our conceptual life). Notice how it makes just as little sense to question the validity of such imaginative experiences as it does to question the validity of our own inner voice that expresses our thoughts, for example when telling a story. We can question the intellectual interpretations added to the story-telling experience, i.e. the relation of the experience to other facts of experience, but not the experience itself. In fact, the phenomenon of doubt arises first within the conceptual space because our activity splits up the holistic thought-organism into manageable fragments and is given freedom over what portion of experience it pays attention to and how it interpretively relates the thought-fragments together. These fragments precipitate from the imaginative space like pairs of virtual particles and antiparticles.


It seems to me, that not only can we not question the experience, but even the added intellectual interpretation we can’t question, in its factfulness. The questioning simply condenses into another thought, that is found to be just as unquestionable in its existence, as testimony of the spiritual activity that originated it. I am not sure if it helps to refer to doubt as a phenomenon. It’s more like just another inevitably lawful thought that precipitates from a state of semi-dissociation, in which the soul imagines it can observe its own activity from without itself. In this way not only two (the etymology of doubt) but several thought-up alternatives can be precipitated into thought forms. These 'doubtful' thoughts are nonetheless thoughts in their full rights, only precipitated from a semi-dissociated place of unawareness of the impossibility to step out of thinking in order to think about it.

That is why the intellect perceives its environment as weaved of polar relations and can always assert a truth claim and its opposite, hypothesis and null hypothesis, with equal conviction. It perceives light and darkness, hot and cold, high and low, north and south, sweet and bitter, canine and feline, mental and material, inner and outer, heaven and hell, faith and works, grace and karma, etc., ad infinitum.

Here, going as far as saying that the perception of polarities is the effect of the same process that creates “the phenomenon of doubt” seems a bit of a stretch to me. Polarities are more deeply rooted in reality than the level of the doubtful conjectures made by the semi-dissociated mind stranded in the blind spot, and are still known from the conscious viewpoint of a more unified 'residency' in thinking (as you subsequently hint to). In other words, it’s possible for the intellect to grasp the meaning of 'unified residency' in thinking, if I can call it so - thereby letting go of the above-mentioned doubts - and perceive polarities at the same time.

Neither could the reality of the soul’s multiple incarnations be questioned. It is only with the proto-development of intellectual thinking in ancient Greece that we see the glimmerings of such questions emerge in philosophical discourse, yet even then we were still descending into mineralized thinking with a parachute.

That’s excellent! Such a great way to say it! :)
Later, we swapped the parachute for a flying suit, and now we are freefalling.


That is not to say all suffering is intended, but simply that the inner relations which lead to the suffering and the inner potential which could result from the suffering are generally obscured from view. An untold degree of unnecessary suffering is added on top of any intended resistance in our time simply due to this blind spot of consciousness.

I feel that calling some suffering unnecessary is confusing. Precisely the fact that it is not freely chosen (for that part of suffering that is not) makes it strictly necessary.

This act of concentration is the only free act that we engage in during normal life. We can never stumble into the act of concentration, awakening and saying, 'oh great, it appears I am concentrating now!' The spirit must be deliberate, present, and active the whole way - if it is truly concentrated, it will always know exactly how it reached its current state.

Finally, in these last words, though I understand how the act of concentration stands out with respect to all other acts of willed thinking, my current understanding is that, rather than the only free act, it’s on a gradient of willed activities which bring freedom to expression, starting from the very first steps of the act of turning the ray of attention towards thinking, prior to engagement in concentration. Specularly, I also think that it’s possible to say that in concentration we are operating independent of karma only in an asymptotic sense, and that as long as we are incarnated in this epoch, independence of karma can only by a state to tend to, but never to properly inhabit, for humans.

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 1:37 pm
by AshvinP
Federica wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 11:40 am Thanks for another brilliant and rich installment, Ashvin.
I will add a few personal comments. These are essentially about the choices of narrative flow, not about substance. The one slightly more substantial question I have is about the choice to present a conceptualization of imaginative cognition before its phenomenology, from the standpoint of the end of Part III, which to my sense was prefiguring a more phenomenological suite. In this sense I can report that, reading the second part of the essay, I have regularly wondered if the metaphor of water cycle, the concept of temporal arcs, the example of NDEs, etc., wouldn’t have been more powerful as ‘post-op’ tools to help transliterate a previous imaginative experiment into concepts.

For example, I believe a conceptualization such as this one is practically impossible to make sense of, other than in a ‘definitional’, entirely abstract way, without any previous phenomenological effort towards the flexible experience of ‘now’. I may be wrong, but I don’t think the arrival point as you designate it is actually traceable in an experiential way before some phenomenological attempt is made:
We could therefore say that there is only a nested configuration of ‘now’ perspectives that experience ‘spiritual relativity’, i.e. the unfolding of ‘now’ states for any given perspective is determined by its relation to all other intentional perspectives that contextualize its experience. When the transformation of our human ‘now’ state feels to unfold at a snail’s pace, we call that the ‘sensory world’ which provides the greatest resistance to our intents. On the other hand, when it feels to transform the most quickly, we call that the ‘mental world’ or ‘imaginative world’ where our intents meet the least resistance. In this way, we arrive at the LIFO principle discussed in Part I from an experiential angle – the domain of our being that was ‘last in’ is the ‘first out’ because our intentional activity meets the least resistance in its transformation.
Therefore, from the essay's last two paragraphs I get the impression that the delineated conclusion could be felt somewhat premature. Again, I am simply giving my subjective impression here.

Thanks, Federica. Part of the reason I post here before Substack is exactly to give some time for myself to see how it reads and to get feedback from you guys. So I appreciate your participation in that effort!

I think you are correct about the structure and the ending, which I have already started working on revising. I aim to include an imaginative experiment, as you say, before discussing the nature/results of imaginative states.

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Federica wrote:
When our thoughts lack living substantiality, they also cannot compel us to act one way or another.
I would deem this a key juncture that can easily get unnoticed. Great to find it at this exact point. Since I believe it's immediatly easy to relate to, I would have liked to read some more about it (unless it's coming in a future part, as I can imagine)

Thanks, I will try to add a few more lines about that.

Federica wrote:
Consider how, when we think, our inner voice perceptions are immediately united with meaning. Unlike all other perceptions, such as sensations and feelings, we don’t need to reflect on the sound of our inner voice perceptions to discern their meaning. If we had to do that, it would be an endless recursion, since each act of reflection would generate a new stream of inner voice sounds that would need to be reflected upon, and so on. Instead, the inner voice perceptions are immediately united with their meaning, and we use them to reflect on all other perceptions.

Here I wonder if it’s clearest to put it in this way in this context: comparing thoughts on one side with feelings and sensations on the other. I believe that your point would have been brought home more straightforwardly by highlighting the superordinate position of thinking as the sense maker of feeling and sensations.
Because, the recursion which you say does not happen, actually does commonly happen, in variable proportion, depending primarily on the intensity of will invested in the activity of thinking. In practice, the perceptions of inner voice are only immediately united with their meaning to the extent that will is driving and maintaining the process. For example, when one has racing thoughts before falling asleep, the thinking voice is sort of partially dissociated, and each more or less parallel stream of thoughts doesn’t immediately bear full meaning. Similarly, when one reads a paragraph of text while being dragged somewhere completely else by overpowering thoughts, the meaning of the text is on the borderline between condensing and disintegrating, and one needs to give it a round of recursion.
Therefore, since you are talking to the average thinking person, your characterization seems to me at risk of landing a little bit abstractly. It describes a purified quality of thinking, but the reality of thinking is usually more mixed up. For this reason, it seems to me that you could have brought your point home by pointing to the direct connection of thinking with will and freedom, which kind of closes the circle you opened slghtly above: “that rendering was the price to pay for reaching the grounds of creative freedom”. In other words, the creative freedom, even with the price it’s been paid for it, is still not given, but needs to be owned 'twice'. Once unconsciously, merely by being incarnated in the times of the consciousness soul (for which we have paid the price that you mention) and once consciously, by becoming that free being of will who alone can grow thinking out of its recursive, or semi-dissociated form. In this sense, it seems to me that the following is actually not the case in the normal life of the average modern thinking person:

I believe you are taking that example in a different sense than I intended. It wasn't about the activity or intensity of thinking, but the completely in-phase relationship between thinking activity and thought-perceptions.

Try to imagine vividly the racing thoughts before sleep and how it would feel if someone else was speaking them in your head, perhaps even in a language you don't understand to emphasize the difference. (I may add something like this to clarify as well, along with what you wrote in bold). Then we could really speak of the perceptions confronting us without being united with meaning. Actually, at the threshold of sleep, sometimes it does happen that elemental processes begin thinking in us as our astral body loosens but before we lose consciousness. This is always happening to some extent, but at the threshold of sleep, we may be able to gain some dim consciousness of it. Yet because we are lapsing into dreamy consciousness, it feels as something foreign to our own thinking.

The text example is similar - these are perceptions of past thinking activity, either ours or someone else's. Once thinking recedes into the past, that is when we need to reflect on the perceptions more as the synchronization between activity-perception becomes more out-of-phase. Reflecting on these sorts of perceptions is not what was meant by 'recursion'. If we are distracted while reading the text, we may revisit it again, but then we are again following the meaning with our inner voice. Imagine if that real-time inner voice met you as the textual perceptions and you needed to keep 'revisiting' the real-time inner voice to make sense of its meaning. If you get distracted by another thought-train while thinking about something, the inner voice simply gets redirected (the other inner voice doesn't continue existing in a parallel stream). That is the impossible recursion I am referring to.

Federica wrote:
Put another way, the organic relations between thoughts (like cause-effect, spatial-temporal, quantity-quality, etc.) are intuitively transparent to us.

Just as we try to make sense of the sensory space through the concepts expressed by the inner voice, we make sense of the conceptual space through imaginative experiences (which likewise shed more light on sensory experience in so far as the latter is modulated by our conceptual life). Notice how it makes just as little sense to question the validity of such imaginative experiences as it does to question the validity of our own inner voice that expresses our thoughts, for example when telling a story. We can question the intellectual interpretations added to the story-telling experience, i.e. the relation of the experience to other facts of experience, but not the experience itself. In fact, the phenomenon of doubt arises first within the conceptual space because our activity splits up the holistic thought-organism into manageable fragments and is given freedom over what portion of experience it pays attention to and how it interpretively relates the thought-fragments together. These fragments precipitate from the imaginative space like pairs of virtual particles and antiparticles.


It seems to me, that not only can we not question the experience, but even the added intellectual interpretation we can’t question, in its factfulness. The questioning simply condenses into another thought, that is found to be just as unquestionable in its existence, as testimony of the spiritual activity that originated it. I am not sure if it helps to refer to doubt as a phenomenon. It’s more like just another inevitably lawful thought that precipitates from a state of semi-dissociation, in which the soul imagines it can observe its own activity from without itself. In this way not only two (the etymology of doubt) but several thought-up alternatives can be precipitated into thought forms. These 'doubtful' thoughts are nonetheless thoughts in their full rights, only precipitated from a semi-dissociated place of unawareness of the impossibility to step out of thinking in order to think about it.

That is true, the experience of the thoughts themselves are still unquestionable, regardless if it is thoughts associated with the original activity or with the interpreting activity. The general point is that doubt arises from the way we pay attention to these unquestionable experiences, usually in a very selective manner, and relate them together to form conclusions.

You are correct that this will always be the case when thoughts are externalized from the thinking activity that birthed them. Yet it can also be the case with imaginative experiences where we are conscious of that relationship but nevertheless decide to stick with intellectual habits of forming rigid conclusions from selective experience. But the temptation to do so should become much less when we become concretely aware of how every thought fits into an organic web of relations that is principally infinite, and there is no limit to how far we can trace the relations if we remain faithful to the journey itself.

Federica wrote:
That is why the intellect perceives its environment as weaved of polar relations and can always assert a truth claim and its opposite, hypothesis and null hypothesis, with equal conviction. It perceives light and darkness, hot and cold, high and low, north and south, sweet and bitter, canine and feline, mental and material, inner and outer, heaven and hell, faith and works, grace and karma, etc., ad infinitum.

Here, going as far as saying that the perception of polarities is the effect of the same process that creates “the phenomenon of doubt” seems a bit of a stretch to me. Polarities are more deeply rooted in reality than the level of the doubtful conjectures made by the semi-dissociated mind stranded in the blind spot, and are still known from the conscious viewpoint of a more unified 'residency' in thinking (as you subsequently hint to). In other words, it’s possible for the intellect to grasp the meaning of 'unified residency' in thinking, if I can call it so - thereby letting go of the above-mentioned doubts - and perceive polarities at the same time.

This is a questionable issue for me. I used to think that the intellect can at least become really comfortable with polarities and 'polar logic', but now it seems to me that this can only remain as an abstract idea and the experience of thinking will remain as split between the poles, which in turn provides constant temptation to prioritize one over the other in the course of thinking, even if mostly subconsciously. I'm not saying this is the only habit that leads to doubts about the 'truth' of its experiential flow, but it is a major factor.

Federica wrote:
Neither could the reality of the soul’s multiple incarnations be questioned. It is only with the proto-development of intellectual thinking in ancient Greece that we see the glimmerings of such questions emerge in philosophical discourse, yet even then we were still descending into mineralized thinking with a parachute.

That’s excellent! Such a great way to say it! :)
Later, we swapped the parachute for a flying suit, and now we are freefalling.

I'm pretty sure I got that imagery from Cleric :)


Federica wrote:
That is not to say all suffering is intended, but simply that the inner relations which lead to the suffering and the inner potential which could result from the suffering are generally obscured from view. An untold degree of unnecessary suffering is added on top of any intended resistance in our time simply due to this blind spot of consciousness.

I feel that calling some suffering unnecessary is confusing. Precisely the fact that it is not freely chosen (for that part of suffering that is not) makes it strictly necessary.

This could use some elaboration, although it may introduce somewhat complex ideas not spoken of before. Here I am pointing out that a certain amount of suffering (resistance) is part of our life destiny, as intended before incarnation, which is necessary for working out our past karma. Yet we can add additional suffering on top of that by remaining ignorant of these karmic intents, therefore repeatedly banging our heads against brick walls so to speak, which is what I call unnecessary suffering. The latter was not intended before our incarnation as part of our life destiny.

Federica wrote:
This act of concentration is the only free act that we engage in during normal life. We can never stumble into the act of concentration, awakening and saying, 'oh great, it appears I am concentrating now!' The spirit must be deliberate, present, and active the whole way - if it is truly concentrated, it will always know exactly how it reached its current state.

Finally, in these last words, though I understand how the act of concentration stands out with respect to all other acts of willed thinking, my current understanding is that, rather than the only free act, it’s on a gradient of willed activities which bring freedom to expression, starting from the very first steps of the act of turning the ray of attention towards thinking, prior to engagement in concentration. Specularly, I also think that it’s possible to say that in concentration we are operating independent of karma only in an asymptotic sense, and that as long as we are incarnated in this epoch, independence of karma can only by a state to tend to, but never to properly inhabit, for humans.

Right, I think that's correct. I already added some sentences to these concluding paragraphs, see if this makes it any clearer (edited back into the original post, beginning with "the sensory landscape").

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 4:32 pm
by Federica
AshvinP wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 1:37 pm I already added some sentences to these concluding paragraphs, see if this makes it any clearer (edited back into the original post, beginning with "the sensory landscape").

Yes it does, and the other comments too.

Only this:
By intensely focusing our concepts as testimonies to the process which birthed them, as we have been doing so far, we have already on a gradient of free activity.

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 5:38 pm
by AshvinP
Federica wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 4:32 pm
AshvinP wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 1:37 pm I already added some sentences to these concluding paragraphs, see if this makes it any clearer (edited back into the original post, beginning with "the sensory landscape").

Yes it does, and the other comments too.

Only this:
By intensely focusing our concepts as testimonies to the process which birthed them, as we have been doing so far, we have already on a gradient of free activity.

I ended up greatly shifting things around, bringing subsequent parts into this part and moving the temporal arc discussion into the next part. Hopefully, it is a more clear and effective approach. For now, I will simply share the Substack link with the revised version - https://open.substack.com/pub/spiritana ... medium=web

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 10:56 am
by Güney27
Thank you Ashvin,

I thought it would maybe be insightful to speak about the phenomenology of concentration after the essays from you

To begin I want to emphasize that I haven’t reached a level where I can talk about these things in definite terms.
I just want to open a topic in which hopefully everybody can share their own experiences.

Concentration is the focusing of our own innermost activity, and guiding its flow intentionally.
I don’t want to use the term spiritual activity, because it can confuse myself and others.
In our normal life, our thinking is something like a commentator of the happenings around us and the happenings inside, like our feelings and other qualitative states of existence we go trough.

In concentration it is different.
There we try to consciously think our thoughts, our guide our own activity in a conscious way.
So we redeem our thinking from the unconscious factors that guide it for a while.

Everyone can verify that while concentrating, we often loose our focus and our thoughts go in a different direction.
I became aware that the topics my thinking flow goes into, when my focus breaks, are most of the time things that were going trough my mind.

One can see that we don’t have full control over our inner world.
There are things that seem to be autonomous of our will.
These things guide our thinking most of the time, but become aware only trough concentration.


We resist to go with the currents that shape our thinking most of the time and have a real observation of how our thinking goes astray.

But how de we gain deeper insight about how these currents shape out flow and how do we get a better understanding of them?

The only thing I can sense right now is that certain topics break my focus, and if I’m concentrate long enough I lose the feeling of my body, but I can’t consciously investigate this currents, let alone deeper currents.

I wanted to share a passage from OMA:
So you too can meditate on these formulas: The Father and I are one, and ‘I am That’; repeating them, whilst never forgetting that this is merely an exercise. Do not begin to imagine that you are already God himself! Otherwise you will become unbearable – you will even risk losing your reason. The closer you come to these divine realities inwardly, the more you must remain simple and humble, and not try to crush others with your superiority. Quite to the contrary, in fact: you must become increasingly generous and loving. Because God is love. If you are going to poleaxe others to show that you are a deity, then you have understood nothing.

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 9:19 pm
by Federica
Güney27 wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 10:56 am In our normal life, our thinking is something like a commentator of the happenings around us and the happenings inside, like our feelings and other qualitative states of existence we go trough.

In concentration it is different.
There we try to consciously think our thoughts, our guide our own activity in a conscious way.
So we redeem our thinking from the unconscious factors that guide it for a while.
Thanks for sharing this Guney.
I am not sure the bold is exactly right, I believe thinking is redeemed from the normal rational sequences of thoughts that go with the flow of sensory stimuli, rather than from the unconscious factors that guide it, while the unconscious factors are the ones on which a progressive opening becomes possible. Let's see what Ashvin says.

From my attempts, I have the impression that effects are seen not so much during the concentration effort, but afterwards. In the moment, there may be some, but are not really perceived, thus unspeakable. I could possibly use the words 'preparation' or 'rearrangment' or 'thickening'. Later in the day, maybe I think about a question, and an idea emerges that has a different "stamp" that I don't really recognize as my typical one. It's like it has an intangible label on it that distinguishes it. It's as if I have enlarged the usual thoughts 'avenue'. From a thin walking path, it has become a larger path, therefore more and new elements are encountered on this larger path with larger turns, and can be gathered. Previously they were out of reach. Or I may notice painful/negative thinking junctures that had remained unnoticed until then. I may see their influence on the soul body, or even on the physical body. Small things like that. I may notice how I have been avoiding the completion of a certain reflection, or even a certain physical movement or sensation, because there was some tension there, however I had not really noticed the "workaround" before.
And I notice way more correspondances between my thoughts and thoughts of others, not in the same moment, but say within a couple of days. It may go down to the exact words. They resonate for some reason in my thoughts, and I find them the next day in someone's writings or posts (without there being any explicit connection with the other).

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 11:13 pm
by AshvinP
Federica wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 9:19 pm
Güney27 wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 10:56 am In our normal life, our thinking is something like a commentator of the happenings around us and the happenings inside, like our feelings and other qualitative states of existence we go trough.

In concentration it is different.
There we try to consciously think our thoughts, our guide our own activity in a conscious way.
So we redeem our thinking from the unconscious factors that guide it for a while.
Thanks for sharing this Guney.
I am not sure the bold is exactly right, I believe thinking is redeemed from the (1) normal rational sequences of thoughts that go with the flow of sensory stimuli, rather than from (2) the unconscious factors that guide it, while the unconscious factors are the ones on which a progressive opening becomes possible. Let's see what Ashvin says.

I would say (1) and (2) can be much the same thing. Usually when we are interacting with the sensory spectrum, our interactions are guided by the unconscious soul factors that lead us to engage in certain activities and not others, pay attention to some parts and not others, think a certain way about what we attend to, etc. Our rational thought sequences are mostly a commentary on this deeper flow of soul life that we are hardly conscious of and that steers us around.

It is true that, at first, concentration is simply aimed at becoming more sensitive to these soul factors in a living and intuitive way. Most of them will carry a lot of momentum and will not budge much in response to our efforts, so we could say they are not fully redeemed yet in that sense, but we are still probing the inner geometry and gaining valuable insight that will continue to percolate and be elaborated over time, as Federica discussed.

Eventually, we should be able to creatively shape some of these soul factors as they become more pliable (of course this assumes we are also working on the whole inner context, not just thinking concentration). The first factor that bends to our efforts should be precisely the rational thought sequences that we engage in relation to sensory events. Federica gives a good description of how these inner reconfigurations could manifest in our daily flow. Generally, our thoughts should become more introspective as well - the sensory events should often speak to us of some inner relations, even though our understanding of what exactly those relations are remains quite dim. The more we familiarize ourselves with the facts of spiritual science, however, the more points of contact we will gain with the inner relations that can then light up in our consciousness as we continue the concentration efforts.

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 12:26 pm
by Federica
AshvinP wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 11:13 pm
Federica wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 9:19 pm
Güney27 wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 10:56 am In our normal life, our thinking is something like a commentator of the happenings around us and the happenings inside, like our feelings and other qualitative states of existence we go trough.

In concentration it is different.
There we try to consciously think our thoughts, our guide our own activity in a conscious way.
So we redeem our thinking from the unconscious factors that guide it for a while.
Thanks for sharing this Guney.
I am not sure the bold is exactly right, I believe thinking is redeemed from the (1) normal rational sequences of thoughts that go with the flow of sensory stimuli, rather than from (2) the unconscious factors that guide it, while the unconscious factors are the ones on which a progressive opening becomes possible. Let's see what Ashvin says.

I would say (1) and (2) can be much the same thing. Usually when we are interacting with the sensory spectrum, our interactions are guided by the unconscious soul factors that lead us to engage in certain activities and not others, pay attention to some parts and not others, think a certain way about what we attend to, etc. Our rational thought sequences are mostly a commentary on this deeper flow of soul life that we are hardly conscious of and that steers us around.
I guess we are dealing with different ways to say the same thing. In particular, I was trying to describe things from the viewpoint of common, standard perception, while you are giving the 'full story'. My impression is, the statment that (1) and (2) are much of the same thing can be confusing, in the context of everything else that's been discussed on the topic. Only my impression of course.

Re: Essay: Retracing Spiritual Activity (Part IV)

Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 9:08 pm
by AshvinP
Federica wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 12:26 pm
AshvinP wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 11:13 pm
Federica wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 9:19 pm

Thanks for sharing this Guney.
I am not sure the bold is exactly right, I believe thinking is redeemed from the (1) normal rational sequences of thoughts that go with the flow of sensory stimuli, rather than from (2) the unconscious factors that guide it, while the unconscious factors are the ones on which a progressive opening becomes possible. Let's see what Ashvin says.

I would say (1) and (2) can be much the same thing. Usually when we are interacting with the sensory spectrum, our interactions are guided by the unconscious soul factors that lead us to engage in certain activities and not others, pay attention to some parts and not others, think a certain way about what we attend to, etc. Our rational thought sequences are mostly a commentary on this deeper flow of soul life that we are hardly conscious of and that steers us around.
I guess we are dealing with different ways to say the same thing. In particular, I was trying to describe things from the viewpoint of common, standard perception, while you are giving the 'full story'. My impression is, the statment that (1) and (2) are much of the same thing can be confusing, in the context of everything else that's been discussed on the topic. Only my impression of course.

I guess it depends on how one is using the word "redeem". In Guney's comment, I think we could use the word resist and that would be most accurate - "In concentration, our thinking resists the unconscious factors that guide it for a while." By doing so, we become more sensitive to their influences and that sets on a path toward redeeming their disharmonizing effects on our spiritual activity.