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Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:18 pm
by SanteriSatama
Lou Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:42 amWhich witches?
Hwhitch itches are you talking bout?
Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:31 pm
by Soul_of_Shu
OK, I was just traumatized by the shrieking Wicked Witch of the West, who was out to steal Dorthy's ruby footwear ... Seriously, in the video I shared, Jürgen does make a clear distinction between so-called shamanism, as it is understood by most in a very facile way, and authentic, deeply nuanced shamanhood (though he doesn't use that term), as it is taught and practised by the real deals, as the two should not be conflated as equivalent, and he makes no claims to being in the latter category, of which the former is at best a mere imitation, and at worst a bastardization, as in the case of the QAnon 'shaman.'
Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:27 pm
by SanteriSatama
Soul_of_Shu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:31 pm
OK, I was just traumatized by the shrieking Wicked Witch of the West, who was out to steal Dorthy's ruby footwear ...
I've never read Baum's original, only this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_(Maguire_novel)
Good that you mention it, we were talking while ago with Lou about Red path and other paths of natives, and I asked about the Yellow path. A natural mythological association was the Yellow Brick Road that the ruby footwear steps on their way to Emerald city.
Baum had... let's say 'interesting'... relation with the natives.
Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:54 pm
by Soul_of_Shu
I didn't read the Baum novel initially, until as a parent I read several books in the Oz series to our son. It is a wonderful modern metaphorical mythos, IMHO.
Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:53 pm
by Lou Gold
SanteriSatama wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:18 pm
Lou Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:42 amWhich witches?
Hwhitch itches are you talking bout?
The ones that tell where to scratch.
Re: Shamanism and Occam's Razor
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:30 pm
by SanteriSatama
Ok, I gave the NTA video another chance, and it wasn't bad at all. The Western very traumatic ethnobiography is very important issue, and the role of the great witch hunt after the crisis of late middle age can't overstressed in that respect. Materialistic psychiatry is direct continuation of that. Interestingly, the guy uses term "dissassociation" in the context of Western collective trauma.
Visual focus is not universal. I'm aware of a t least two main focuses of attention / characters, visual and bodily awareness.