Philosophical Speculations

Lou Gold wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:53 pm

Shaibei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:17 pm After reading most of the book on Jung, I still feel that as a theist my position on the subject is slightly different. In this book I have indeed found more meaning than I find in Schopenhauer's blind will.
The book did convinced me that Jung held a metaphysical position only hinted at due to professional considerations. A more explicit formulation i find in the " unitary reality" of his student Erich Neumann, in a less philosophical formulation than that of Bernardo, but in my opinion not far from it

I am a theist who believes that God gives solutions with all problems and that this is an instinctive part of a package deal. As you know, both Wisdom and Justice are portrayed in the Old Tradition as Feminine. Archetypally, Justice appears as blindfolded because the balanced scale in her hand is a "feel thing" and, similarly, Wisdom is born of check-and-balances, trials-and-errors and this is how sentient beings redeem the world. Similarly, Archangel Michael is not portrayed as slaying the demon but instead as holding him at right distance according to the balanced scale in his hand.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. My intention was that I as a theist do not believe that there is no intention in creation. Even if we feel we are creating meaning we are actually discovering it. Why did God have to create a world that develops and is redeemed from evil? It can be said that in order to be perfect God supposedly needs a part within him that is constantly developing, it is us and the world. In my opinion, it is not possible to guarantee the development of the world without the existence of what is already perfect. Of course there is the possibility that we will never know what God needs in the world

I should add that my belief in a problem/solution instinctual package does not imply solutions will be according to a preferred desire. A dying loved one will still die but with least pain, loving attention, right rituals, etc. And, yes, shit will still happen.

Shaibei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:20 pm

Lou Gold wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:53 pm

Shaibei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:17 pm After reading most of the book on Jung, I still feel that as a theist my position on the subject is slightly different. In this book I have indeed found more meaning than I find in Schopenhauer's blind will.
The book did convinced me that Jung held a metaphysical position only hinted at due to professional considerations. A more explicit formulation i find in the " unitary reality" of his student Erich Neumann, in a less philosophical formulation than that of Bernardo, but in my opinion not far from it

I am a theist who believes that God gives solutions with all problems and that this is an instinctive part of a package deal. As you know, both Wisdom and Justice are portrayed in the Old Tradition as Feminine. Archetypally, Justice appears as blindfolded because the balanced scale in her hand is a "feel thing" and, similarly, Wisdom is born of check-and-balances, trials-and-errors and this is how sentient beings redeem the world. Similarly, Archangel Michael is not portrayed as slaying the demon but instead as holding him at right distance according to the balanced scale in his hand.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. My intention was that I as a theist do not believe that there is no intention in creation. Even if we feel we are creating meaning we are actually discovering it. Why did God have to create a world that develops and is redeemed from evil? It can be said that in order to be perfect God supposedly needs a part within him that is constantly developing, it is us and the world. In my opinion, it is not possible to guarantee the development of the world without the existence of what is already perfect. Of course there is the possibility that we will never know what God needs in the world

I am saying that God is Lawful and this is a package deal without specific or particular intention on God's part. Gravity is gravity to "good" and "bad" people alike. Gravity is not because God is compassionate. The "in process" solution is to be careful around edges of heights and this "solution" is a co-creation -- human choice working within the lawful. The "evil" of a fall is redeemed with careful awareness. My spiritual path is syncretic Judeo-Christian. I have a spirit advisor. About dealing with a gnarly confusing world, he told me "Be calm - Be clear - See the faults - See the suffering - Give your love"

Yes,you can put it this way. I would argue that the unconscious is infinite and good and we only discover it. This is its nature. The closer we get to it, the closer we are to truth and true meaning

When talking about God you always stumble with the question what is god. If you say he/it obeys certain laws then you take the will from him. If you say he has wiil, then he's lacking. So he's above all predications and is all predications? Ok...

As a personal side-comment, it often amazes me when I see people around who are able to choose a belief or worldview and stick with it for their entire life. I was never able to do that. I was with many philosophies, religions and spiritual traditions, and usually taking and practicing them very seriously and existentially deep to the heart when I was with them. But eventually I would discover their limitations and inconsistencies and find that I can no longer belong to them and maintain these worldviews with their very specific attitudes, views and practices. I kept discovering new facts, layers and facets of reality and perspectives on life that would not fit into the known traditions, philosophies or beliefs. I can't decide if it's a good thing on not, may be I'm missing something by not following certain paths for long enough, but I don't think I can do anything about that.

Praying is a universal practice and at least from personal experience a daily prayer can help. From an idealistic point of view one can ask how prayer works and one can also answer, the main point is that it helps. Does it always help? probably not

Shaibei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:54 pm When talking about God you always stumble with the question what is god. If you say he/it obeys certain laws then you take the will from him. If you say he has wiil, then he's lacking. So he's above all predications and is all predications? Ok...

Not the way I would put it but language is tricky. I am defining God as Lawful meaning that God and the Law are One. There is no option of exercising or not exercising will which is a consideration/perception of separation. I'm saying the One is what it is it without metacognition. "I AM THAT I AM" No more-or-less, this-or-that, subject-or-object.

Lou Gold wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:57 pm

Shaibei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:54 pm When talking about God you always stumble with the question what is god. If you say he/it obeys certain laws then you take the will from him. If you say he has wiil, then he's lacking. So he's above all predications and is all predications? Ok...

Not the way I would put it but language is tricky. I am defining God as Lawful meaning that God and the Law are One. There is no option of exercising or not exercising will which is a consideration/perception of separation. I'm saying the One is what it is it without metacognition. "I AM THAT I AM" No more-or-less, this-or-that, subject-or-object.

My understanding is that you can't fathom how God's thought works. I never tried to think like I was two people. My thought is limited to only one processor, let alone trying to understand an entity that thinks the thoughts of all mankind. Can God choose not to create a world? for me the human intellect can not tell God what to do. In the Hebrew source the verse says "I will be what i will be" so it's not it is what it is. Maybe in the future we'll know what it is. Maybe

Shaibei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:48 pm Praying is a universal practice and at least from personal experience a daily prayer can help. From an idealistic point of view one can ask how prayer works and one can also answer, the main point is that it helps. Does it always help? probably not

I also pray on a daily basis. I believe it helps because it expresses my intention or will. However, the mystery of prayer is not just to pray but to practice communion with the Divine, which involves introspection and deep inner work or occasionally pure grace.