Well, if your understanding of "Oneness" is "all inclusive oneness, without boundaries, a spiritual soup of existence", then it has nothing to do with what I was pointing to, of what Christ and Buddha meant by Oneness, so you apparently just did not understand what I was trying to convey. But I do not have any more steam left to try to explain it againCleric K wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:17 pm Now someone may say "But why would I want to differentiate myself? This is what I dream for - all inclusive oneness, without boundaries, a spiritual soup of existence." The problem is that this is how one feels about it while still in a body. It's simply naïve to expect that things will remain the same after death, when we no longer have the physical sheaths around which revolves practically all our Earthly life.

But anyway, thanks for the lecture, these words from Steiner are quite revealing and show that anthroposophy is actually incompatible with oneness, so I realize that all my attempts to steer anthroposophy into accepting oneness are futile and were destined to fail, and I now understand your resistance to it. Needless to say, this resistance is based on complete misunderstanding of what it actually is, both by Steiner and you. For Steiner, oneness is "the thoughts of all the hierarchies merging into one another", and for you, instead of or in addition to, it is "a spiritual soup of existence without boundaries".
So, apparently Steiner is describing a hierarchy which:It is precisely of this oneness-striving that one must be cured if one wishes to stand correctly in the spiritual world. Here in the sense world it is so easy to say: we must seek oneness everywhere, we must seek unity in the plurality, in the multiplicity. But that is something which only has significance for the physical sense world here. For when we pass through the gate of death then we do not have multiplicity, but something which comes before our soul as an overwhelming consciousness. When we have passed through the portal of death we have nothing but oneness around us, continuous oneness. It is then a matter of rightly finding plurality, multiplicity. We must strive there for nothing else than to come out of oneness into multiplicity.
That which surges around us at first is just this oneness. But what is this oneness? It is the thoughts of all the hierarchies merging into one another. What all the hierarchies think together; this thought-world of the hierarchies indistinguished as to what one hierarch, what the other hierarch thinks; — this is the Light-Being of Thought that surges round us, this oneness. ... Therefore we live in the thoughts of the hierarchies flowing together to a oneness. Therein we live.
- Compels us to "strive there for nothing else than to come out of oneness into multiplicity"
- Completely rejective and ignorant, knowingly or unknowingly, of what Christ and Buddha meant by Oneness
- Is a military-type hierarchy where all our thinking life and all our thoughts are nested in thinking and thoughts of higher orders of the hierarchy. So, "Fascio" is indeed a good description of this kind of hierarchy.
I will leave it for people to exercise their spiritual discernment and decide for themselves what kind of hierarchy is this. Apparently, anyone who is initiated into this hierarchy and connects with them through occult practices during the human life will obviously be welcomed to enter it after physical death, which Steiner was exactly describing.