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by Cleric
Fri Nov 07, 2025 4:43 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

It seems we have established there is no principal impossibility that the Church body can be transformed and immortalized (when understanding the immortalizing process from the proper spiritual perspective, as you indicated), when we take the Impulse that Christ already brought to the Earthly ...
by Cleric
Thu Nov 06, 2025 6:31 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

When we unite with the Divine essence of evil via Intuitive knowledge, can we really describe it as " evil " that we are uniting with? It seems to me that it is only within ordinary intellectual and astral phenomenology that the concept of evil, as clearly delineated from the Good, still maintains ...
by Cleric
Thu Nov 06, 2025 12:49 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

I will chime in here again briefly to point out that this is another instance where Tomberg's pedagogical style is misinterpreted as operating at the level of fact in the manner of Steinerian spiritual science. In saying that evil cannot be known it its essence, Tomberg is reiterating the ...
by Cleric
Wed Nov 05, 2025 10:32 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

Neither Satan, nor Belial, nor Lucifer, nor Mephistopheles have ever deprived anyone of his freedom. Temptation is their only weapon and this presupposes the freedom of he who is tempted. But possession by an "evil spirit" has nothing to do with temptation. It is invariably the same thing as with ...
by Cleric
Tue Nov 04, 2025 9:31 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

Let’s try to understand the intellectual mode of existence with a practical problem. In today’s informational age, there are many techniques that aim to provide security for the communication channels. To understand the need for that, consider the classical man-in-the-middle attack. In the early age ...
by Cleric
Sat Nov 01, 2025 2:50 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

So we see the Catholic project, by which I mean VT and Rodriel's orientation toward the Church and its future evolutionary role, is not about holding some intellectual vision of the preordained superiority and centrality of the Church, of how events must only unfold in one direction around its axis ...
by Cleric
Fri Oct 31, 2025 10:13 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

But we know this is not quite the case, and if anything, Steiner's push for the CC shows how every school and every workshop cannot magically become a church, existing as an atomic unit, and each unit "forming their own church in their hearts". He said this atomization, which is already ...
by Cleric
Fri Oct 31, 2025 5:45 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

☀️... I am in concord with what you say. And one of the reasons is that Rodriel’s vision goes further than what you focus on above, and it is that 'further' which rings dissonantly within me. I don’t imply that we should get round the Church as a leprous dog. My only goal is to highlight what we are ...
by Cleric
Thu Oct 30, 2025 5:43 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

Thanks, Cleric, all of this is very helpful to contemplate. I am assuming you also appreciate, at least to some extent, that what you express above could be spoken in exactly the same way to someone who has dismissed the Catholic project (or any project that imagines the Universal Church will play ...
by Cleric
Thu Oct 30, 2025 2:03 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Tomberg and Anthroposophy
Replies: 449
Views: 43473

Re: Tomberg and Anthroposophy

It may be helpful, Cleric, if you can paint a picture of what an alternative is for the spiritual soul that desires to live in the intuitive flow and contribute the fruits of its prayerful and meditative work to the spiritualization of education, medicine, political affairs, and so on, through the ...